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How to develop and what skills to upgrade to defeat a Knight?:smile45: :smile45: :smile35: :smile15:

A difficult question... but I'll still share my opinion. I think leveling up in light against a Knight isn't very effective, unless he's been leveling up in darkness. Chaos seems like the most optimal option to me, plus pyrokinesis, warlord, and priests)))
Leveling up for Erling:
3 spells - wisdom, secret knowledge, mana restoration, or arcane knowledge.
3 luck - soldier's luck, lucky spellcaster.
3 chaos - fire lord, pyrokinesis, secrets of chaos. If there aren't any good level 3 spells, or mana burst.
3 racial - earth rune, great rune.
3 defense - (if going above level 21) to battlefield protection if there's a resurrection rune, if not, then to healing, and as for battlefield protection, I'd also take reflection, and in both defense and luck... just in case we encounter a berserker.
3 leadership - if going for maximum, up to inspiration))
That's it...

What about the scenarios?

It's very difficult to play as a Dwarf in the Conflux: you can still level up Chaos, but waiting for the Summoning skill to become available (4%) is a problem, and the defense isn't bad either... but two magic skills without Sorcery isn't great... where's the luck? Dwarf luck... where's the light that would help the Dwarves very well... Erling is the best choice, but he only becomes viable around level 30 in the Conflux.... maybe even earlier, but it will be difficult to level up Sorcery because perks from there will keep popping up))
You can use Ingvar, but why would Ingvar need Chaos and Summoning when it's better for him to level up Light, Luck, Leadership, and Attack... in general, it turns out that Orcs are the best choice in the Conflux because they don't have any problems getting those skills))

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However, the Dwarf's Conflux is awesome!!!

and if you add art related to gnomes, such as books and runes, and don't invest in Rune Magic, you'll have space for other skills/abilities like logistics, attack, etc., or should I follow your advice and level up Ereb?

Yes, if the map is large and logistics are definitely needed, you can try to get it as early as possible (you know why)... and upgrade it to Sudden Attack + Dragons + Rune of Battle Fury. I would sacrifice leadership because teleport and inspiration are very similar in effect. And definitely boost morale with artifacts, at least with the Lion's Cloak... I'm not sure about attack, because the hero is a Chaos Knight and there's no one to buff the army with light magic. So, rushing into an attack is not a good idea; it's better to hold the line or infiltrate the archers using teleport or inspiration!!! :smile19:

and if you take the defensive/offensive ward skills and give up on level 1 archers, split the level 2 creatures into two stacks, and go into battle under mass stone skin.

what's the point of separating them? It's better to place throwers with a higher-level unit there, like a bear or a priest; then, their healing spells will be more effective on weaker creatures. It's very effective to place bears next to dragons; their defense will increase significantly.

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In short, the stronger the "neighbors" standing next to your thrower, the greater the bonus to defense and attack (if there are two healing spells), ranging from 0 to 10.

How to develop and what skills to upgrade to defeat the Knight?:smile45: :smile45: :smile35: :smile15:

As practice shows, in the late game against Heaven (assuming he plays as Axel, and even more so if he goes into Darkness), any race has very few chances (10% out of 100%), and if you plan to play a very long late game, up to turn 30 and for 4-5 months, then there are absolutely no chances (0% out of 100%)!

If we talk about Dwarves, I will repeat myself!
To get into the aforementioned 10%, the following development conditions must be taken into account (against Axel with Dark magic):
Heroes: Carli, Ingvar, Helmar (leveled up to level 26)
Great Rune, Perfect Rune Knowledge
1. Leadership Basics: Rune Harmony
2. Permanent Luck: Soldier's Luck, Magic Resistance, Dwarven Luck
3. Skilled Defense: Dodge and Damage Reduction (if there is a Resurrection Rune), if not, then Endurance and Defensive Ward
4. Skilled Attack: Tactics, Attacking Ward, Retribution
5. Skilled Light: Protection Ward, Eternal Light

If he takes another hero and goes into Light, then you will have 30% chance. Then, instead of Protection Ward and Eternal Light, take Righteous Wrath and Protection Ward, and instead of Magic Resistance and Dwarven Luck, take Skilled Leadership.
Do not go into Conquest in any case; then your chances are -100%.

Mish-gan, what about pyrokinesis + phoenix feather + yarly + armageddon? ... although in the late game, Chaos's chances dwindle, but what if he doesn't know we're going to go Chaos (that's another option)! Well, if he knows, then it's better not to go Chaos))...
Why not go to Haven if we've been playing for so long... we can stock up on artifacts that reduce the opponent's luck and increase our own, and then we'll see how a knight without luck will fare...

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Original artifact options: a cloak that reduces defense and luck by 2, and a ring that reduces luck by 2. And for ourselves, of course, the skill itself and the lion's crown would be desirable... the main thing is that the opponent is left without luck, then even paladins will have a hard time!

Mish-gan, what about pyrokinesis + phoenix feathers + Yggdrasil + Armageddon...? Although in the late game, Chaos's chances dwindle, but maybe he doesn't know we're going for Chaos (another option)! Well, if he does know, it's better not to go for Chaos... Why not go for Earth Magic if we're playing for so long... we can stock up on artifacts that reduce the opponent's luck and increase our own, and then we'll see how the knight fares without luck.

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Original artifact options: a cloak with -2 to Defense and Luck, and a ring with -2 to Luck. And for ourselves, of course, the skill itself and the Lion Crown are desirable... the main thing is to leave the opponent without luck, and then even Paladins will have a hard time!

I think the "Armageddon" ability will only work if the skills are expertly developed - Chaos itself, fully developed with pyrokinesis, Leadership with Empathy, Sorcery, Education, Luck with a Lucky Mage + artifacts - Phoenix Feathers! (I just thought about it - if developed like that, it would be total chaos! - let's say Erling is level 26)
In practice, a properly developed Axel is strong even without luck, due to his Initiative and when Battle Cry triggers, the Paladins eliminate two main stacks - Jarls and Dragons - before the hero's turn, which is a terrifying sight :eek:!
I still believe that Earth Magic won't save the Dwarf.
You can't reduce Battle Cry by much with any artifacts; only a Necromancer with Earth Magic can do that!

but the Knight definitely won't have any luck))))

Maybe I'm repeating myself, but I want to emphasize that defeating a Knight in the late game is only possible with the correct development of a Dwarf (defense + BDP, light + divine retribution, luck + soldier's luck, leadership + runic harmony, and attack + inspiration, + dropping resurrection, incorporeality, and battle rage runes)!
In my opinion, only with such a build and the right runes, the chances are 40% to 60%, of course, in favor of a properly developed Haven!
To be honest, I've never been able to develop a character like that, but my friends have had such luck, and as a result, they won against the human-beast Haven :)

If anyone has defeated Haven in the late game, please share your experience!

:smile05::smile05:I still haven't recovered from the defeat...:smile05::smile05:
Here's what I'll say about this battle...autobattle is just useless, the losses are too big((
A hero chosen randomly is also not an option...without a plan for the game, it's 50% chance of defeat (I read that somewhere)). Dugald was too stupidly developed...
Mish-gan is a wounded beast:) even more dangerous now:) rematch???

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I realized that it's better not to take Logistics, as it's a completely unnecessary skill if you don't take Keen Mind or Teleport!

:smile05::smile05:I still haven't recovered from the defeat...:smile05::smile05:
Here's what I'll say about this battle...autobattle is just garbage, the losses are too great((
A random hero is also not an option...without a plan for the game, it's a 50% chance of losing (I read that somewhere)). Dugal leveled up too stupidly...
Mish-gan is a wounded beast:) even more dangerous now:) rematch???

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I realized that it's better not to take Logistics, as it's a completely unnecessary skill if you don't take Keen Mind or Teleport!

You'll win next time, that's life, today it's me, tomorrow it's you - that's an axiom!
I completely agree with you - autobattle is complete garbage, but without it, our game would take at least a week, unless we dedicate the whole day to it!

You always need to have a plan for the game! I don't understand why you took a random hero(:smile32:

Explain why you only had 17 angels?
78 paladins is normal, they could have been enough, I don't understand why you didn't attack the dragons right away (what losses were displayed when you moved your paladins towards the dragons?)

P.S.: If you want, I can send you Axel's build (I have it, I took it from a friend), he's in first place in our Competitive matches, a very strong build, I only managed to beat him once out of 5, and that was when he was playing as Laslo?

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By the way, I discovered the hero Ingu! Despite all her drawbacks (weak army at the beginning and a pointless native racial skill at the beginning of the game), there is a huge plus, she has all the runes at the end of the game, the last game confirmed this! Imagine, according to my planned build, I definitely needed the Resurrection, Ethereal, and Battle Fury runes, but, according to the law of averages, none of these runes were in the castle, but at level 20 they were already learned by Ingu!
I think that Gnomes don't need magic, it's better to take something that boosts stats in battle!
By the way, I developed 70% of what I had planned, that's a good percentage, it rarely happens, but if it weren't for the huge losses, my army would have been twice as strong!