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So, is this war? Good, keep turning our cozy pub into a battlefield.
And again, this categorical tone. Yes, I probably should have added an emoji or a ")" at the end of the sentence to give it a clearly sarcastic and playful tone.
So, you think that everything should follow the established rules, without showing any imagination and constantly referring to the original source? If all of humanity thought like you, we would be sitting around a campfire eating another mammoth. New ideas and perspectives, good or bad, drive and develop. Doing the same thing over and over is boring. And a sexy elf in mithril thongs +10 will at least provide some amusement. Besides, as they say, you can find a few pearls in a pile of manure. If you are so concerned about this problem, read the theory of evolution and apply it to modern fantasy. Bad ideas will eventually die out and be forgotten. And good ones will enrich world culture.
Views on science drive and develop. But churning out identical "Original" creations to please an indiscriminate crowd for personal gain – that's a different story. And at the same time, corrupting and distorting the original sources.
If this is a reasonable and objective refutation, then I'm a crocodile. Since we're talking about mythology, let's consider the mythology of different peoples.
What does that have to do with it? We weren't talking about Eastern dragons. Read the posts on the first pages. Obviously, these are simple and banal fantasy dragons that breathe fire, with wings and not an elongated body. They are banal because they are overused, as they are shoved everywhere.
Who is standing still? We are providing examples that do not fit into your point of view. You reject them with indignation in the style of "this cannot be, because this cannot be, I don't want it, and there is no place for it in my theory." And that's been half the topic already. Have we denied the fact that there are dragons as you describe them? Point it out.
You didn't deny it. But you accused me of narrow-mindedness and a lack of perspective, ignoring what I said from your own point of view a few posts earlier.
The key word is "holy war." Who started it – me or you?
Obviously, it was the topic creator.
Or do you think I'm so bad that I can ban you for no reason? Well, you know, judging a person without knowing them is not a sign of good manners and objectivity. Before attacking me, you should have read at least some of my posts to get an overall picture. As for me, I almost always try to learn more about a person first.
Oh, the holy and offended innocent, yet in every post threatening to ban, berate, and tell people what to do, justifying all this to herself and others with a pseudo-jocular tone and periodically whitewashing herself with words like "I'm actually good."
But not everyone likes those kinds of jokes, right? Especially when they are so repetitive and the same that they have become tiresome even to me. And after all this, the same offended innocence, right? A feeling of absolute and unjustly slandered spiritual purity?
Meanwhile, the position of moderator usually attracts either scoundrels or enthusiasts. And a truly effective moderator is of the first type, even if only deep down, or openly to others.
And if you have created such an opinion of yourself in front of a stranger – me – that can only be changed by a head-on refutation of "you shouldn't think that, I'm good" – then something is wrong.
Of course, it's awkward. We sit around and chat quietly, have duels with word-slinging and banhammers, relax as much as we can, and then you show up and start talking with the most serious attitude a person is capable of. And when there is an attempt to involve you in our entertaining style of chatting, you immediately adopt an even more serious, sometimes aggressive attitude, discouraging any desire to continue the conversation.
If you are used to an infantile style of conversation, and any other style makes you uncomfortable, then I have bad news for you.
However, this style allows you to discuss serious topics without serious arguments.
I don't see anything wrong with "serious arguments."
I'm not arguing, such people exist. It's not very good to create things based on this principle. But no one has canceled the flight of creative fantasy. And what's wrong with a section for people who want to create something new?
It is bad because of the perversions, the monstrous perversions.
And these, and those, and those over there, and even those, besides, there are others. It's just how it was translated, and that's how it became. The Russians, for example, call the country Germany, and not Deutschland, and the people who live there are called Germans. Next time, specify which gnomes you mean.
It's a terrible practice. And any person who knows English clenches their fists in helpless rage when they see how translators twist and turn, translating dwarves as "gnomes," gnomes as "shorties," "tangars," and all sorts of other things.
By the way, here are a couple more examples of good dragons.
Akatosh – the dragon god of time, the king of the gods from the TES universe.
That's right. This is the terminal stage. Fortunately, it is still considered something bad by many. And here, there is no need for further reasoning about the freedom of fantasy, because the whole series is an abomination.
Well, what can you expect from a person who is not able to defend their point of view? Only a retreat and the last "anyway, I'm d'Artagnan, and you..."

P.S. There will always be someone who jumps into the discussion with their meaningless comment, like "hehe, I'll get some popcorn!!" or, in this case, a picture. Is this a lack of upbringing? A desire to attract attention? Or a kind of prophetic "drawing a line under the engrossed geeks"?
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about D'Artagnan, it's not quite right)))
it's actually "You're all bastards, but I'm D'Artagnan."

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Vikh, I don't know about the forum, whether it's allowed or not, because it uses PHP, which I don't have experience with, but as for the rest, please go ahead. You can write each page manually; there are no restrictions.
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P.S. There will always be someone who jumps into the discussion with their pointless comment, like "haha, I'm going to get popcorn!!"
Proof or it didn't happen.
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Of course, it's awkward. We're just chilling, having some lighthearted banter, engaging in duels with witty remarks and banhammers, relaxing as much as we can, and then you show up and start talking with the most serious tone a person is capable of. And when there's an attempt to draw you into our entertaining style of banter, you immediately adopt an even more serious, sometimes aggressive, demeanor, discouraging any further conversation.
MorningIf you're used to an immature style of conversation, and any other style makes you uncomfortable, then I have bad news for you.
In such cases, they say "Don't bring your own rules to someone else's monastery." ;)

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Dear residents of HeroesWorld, we present to you a new series of "Battles for the Den of Depravity!" Place your bets — who will win? Drinks are on me for everyone! Anyone who bets on me gets free snacks! :D
And again with that categorical tone. Yes, apparently I should have added a smiley or ")" at the end of the phrase to give it a sarcastic-joking tone noticeable to the naked eye.
Don't think I'm so dumb that I wouldn't notice an attempt at a joke. In this case, I consider that joke inappropriate. Every joke has a grain of truth in it. From your posts, I gathered that you could seriously start a confrontation over nothing, out of the blue.
Views on science — they drive and develop it. Churning out identical "Original" crafts to cater to an undiscriminating herd for personal enrichment — that's a hard no. Simultaneously corrupting and distorting the original sources.
Again, there's generalization here. Those who write this stuff and rake in money hand over fist — naturally, they can't offer fresh and original things; they're already being fed well enough. But there are enthusiasts who come up with everything for their own enjoyment. There are those who genuinely strive to bring something new and interesting to evolve the genre.
We didn't deny it. But you accused me of being narrow-minded and lacking perspective, ignoring what I had said about your own point of view several posts earlier.
Yeah. You said that only your theory is valid, and all facts contradicting it have no right to exist. A fact is a fact, no matter how dumb and primitive it may be. If it doesn't fit the theory, the theory should be reconsidered.
Obviously — the thread creator.
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Well, that's Revan, known for creating threads to spam up. I'm sure he never intended to start a flame war; the guy wanted to have fun himself and entertain the crowd. Again — you're judging a person without knowing them.
Oh, holy and offended innocence, yet in every post threatening to ban everyone, scold them, and telling people what to do, justifying it all to yourself and others with a pseudo-joking tone and periodically whitewashing yourself with words — "I'm actually a good person."
It's just that not everyone likes such jokes, got it? Especially ones that are so repetitive and identical that they've even gotten on my nerves. And after all that — that same offended innocence, right? That feeling of absolute and unfairly slandered spiritual purity?
Meanwhile — the moderator position usually attracts scumbags or starry-eyed types. And a truly effective moderator belongs to the first type of people, whether deep down internally or outwardly visible to others.
And if you've created such an impression of yourself before a stranger — me — that can only be changed by a direct refutation like "don't worry, I'm good" — then something's been done wrong.
Oh, how nasty and menacing we are. If I weren't a mod, I'd be running around with a flamethrower instead of a banhammer. Nothing would change. Note — I didn't start the attack. You're the one frothing at the mouth and pounding the table. I'm having a completely calm conversation. Moreover, I'll be honest — I like you even less than you like me. But for some reason, I have the sense not to stoop to direct insults, attacks, or lectures on manners; I've simply and impartially stated what I think about your opinion.
If you're used to an infantile style of conversation, and any other style makes you uncomfortable, then I have bad news for you.
If you think we're going to change the entire communication style and atmosphere of our chatroom just for you, then try re-evaluating your self-esteem.
I don't see anything wrong with "serious flame wars."
Except that people hurl accusations at each other, fray their nerves, quarrel, and take offense. But aside from that, yeah, everything's great.
It's bad because of perversions, monstrous perversions.
In a pile of manure, you occasionally find pearls. Again, what's hard to refute, you just dismiss.
It's become a disgusting practice. And anyone familiar with the English language clenches their fists in helpless rage when they see how localizers twist things, translating dwarves as "гномы", gnomes as "коротышки", "тангары", and god knows what else.
Whether disgusting or brilliant, a fact remains a fact.
Exactly. That is — the terminal stage. Fortunately, still considered by many to be something bad. And here, I don't need another lecture on freedom of imagination, because this entire series is garbage.
By many? Sure, sure. The entire TES series is garbage? Sure, sure. Again trying to pass off your IMHO as an absolute truth. Speak for yourself and your own opinion. Others can speak for themselves. If TES is garbage, then why is Oblivion the best game of 2006?
What else can you expect from someone unable to defend their point of view? Only a bailout and a final "I'm still d'Artagnan, and you all..."
Oddly enough, I agree with him. We present facts, while you stubbornly dig in your heels and keep droning on about the same thing, ignoring the statements you have nothing to respond to, and actively stirring up an interpersonal conflict — despite having accepted an apology and supposedly closed the topic. Anyone's patience would run out.

P.S. There's always someone who jumps into a discussion with a meaningless comment, like "hehe, get some popcorn!!" or, as in this case, a picture. What is it — a lack of manners? A desire to draw attention to oneself? Or some kind of prophetic "putting the overzealous nerds in their place"?
I don't understand how a harmless and even amusing remark can trigger such a violent reaction.

I'll say it again: If you don't like it here — no one's keeping you. Just don't post here. There's no need to start flame wars and try to prove your superiority over us. I'm not saying we're all good and proper, but we're used to this style of communication. We're not going to change anything for you. Or do you still want to go to Tula with your own samovar?
А, вот почему.

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It all started with a simple discussion: are you tired of dragons being everywhere, or not...?
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we need a new poll) Are you tired of endless flame wars everywhere?

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Yeah, and call it a flame war too.
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Well, am I to blame if someone is stubbornly trying to make everyone conform to their own desires?)))
А, вот почему.

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So, what's the deal with dragons? Let's vote, should they be included or not? I'm personally in favor. They're good, cute creatures. They bond with their owner and can't easily detach from them. They're indispensable in battle. Basically, I'm all for it!
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I’m not blaming anyone) and only the last stubborn person will resist when everything has been proven to them.
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we don't mind Dragons, we're not against them; the question was about there being too many of them on the forum (meaning pictures of them, especially in the off-topic section, almost in every thread), and that most of these pictures are terrible, while there are very few good ones... well, and the sheer number of them is annoying.

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Olga, dragons are awkward in battle because they are huge, and it's very inconvenient to swing them around. But that small one, from the screenshot of Koshi, can be thrown.
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So, what about dragons? Let's vote, should they be included or not? I'm personally for it. They're good, cute creatures. They become attached to their owner and can't detach for a long time. They're indispensable in battle. In short, I'm all for it!
We're just having a friendly discussion to find out who thinks dragons are good and who thinks they're bad, who's tired of them, and who wants to cuddle them. Some people, seeing the word "holy war" in the topic title, decided to justify it. But don't be afraid, come join us, we just harvested apples from birch trees)))
By the way, Olga, dragons are inconvenient in battle because they're huge, it's very awkward to wield them, but that little one, from Koshy's screenshot, can be thrown)
I'll show you how to throw, I'll throw it so hard!)) It can throw anyone itself)) Or rather, push them)))
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damn, why are you confusing this person and dragging them into your stupid arguments? My post was about something else, and you distorted it, changing the whole meaning.

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