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First time, I lost all my units... without any extra troops... I haven't tried it much more... the whole battle depends on morale... if the Elves and Knights get a good break at the right moment, it's okay... otherwise, either big losses or a defeat.
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The first time I tried, I lost all my units... without any neutral troops... I haven't tried it much since. The whole battle depends on morale. If the Elves and Knights get a morale boost at the right moment, it's okay. Otherwise, either you'll suffer heavy losses or you'll lose.
Ideally, when evaluating a battle (whether to attack or not), you need to consider that you might not have any morale of your own (even with expert leadership), and you should always assume the worst for the Barbarians.
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Even after calculating the morale timings on the second attempt, I still lost all my units and 2 Grand units...
And regarding the risk, on level 121, Ivor is already crushing everything with Expert Earth and Log!
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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I lost 10 units on the first try, but neither the wood units nor I were demoralized. There were a few tense moments when a morale check for the wood units would have ruined everything. I wouldn't take that risk in a game 100%, especially with a 117% chance, because there could have been only 49 of them, which would have resulted in a guaranteed loss.
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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Sometimes, you need to make "passive" moves with your faction. Like visiting a town or two, waiting a day. The army will still earn some money in the meantime. Otherwise, if you don't wait, you'll lose. But with 1-2 Ivory Towers, you could easily conquer everything.
0-1 instead of a likely victory.
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Otherwise, it turns into a situation where he doesn't make it through the day – a loss.
0-1 instead of a likely victory.

This was clearly demonstrated (and repeatedly) at the Kyiv tournament.
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I lost 10 units on the first try, but neither the wood elves nor I were demoralized. There were also a few tricky moments when a morale check for the wood elves would have ruined everything. I wouldn't take that risk in the game 100% on 117, because there could have been 49 of them, which would have resulted in a 100% loss.

I really like this, but there couldn't have been even 40 of them, because it's the first week and they're only guarding Pandora!!!
It turns out that many people still don't know how to determine the number of units guarding certain objects!!!;)
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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I like it, but there couldn't have been even 40 of them, as it's the first week and only Pandora is being guarded!!!
at the very least, a questionable statement :)

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Ideally, when assessing a battle (whether to attack or not), one should consider that there might not be any morale bonuses (even with expert leadership), and one should always be prepared for a war.
No, that's a given... the decision to attack or not always involves considering the possibility of morale bonuses for oneself and for neutral units... and often, relying on luck doesn't work...
I agree that if there's no particular need, it's best to wait a day or two... =).
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I really like it, but there couldn't have been even 40 of them, as it's the first week and only Pandora is being guarded!!!
It turns out that many still don't know how to determine the number of units guarding certain objects!!!;)


Roma, it would be understandable if it were a Hive, an Artifact (although you might not be able to guess with a Quest item), or some kind of hidden location, then I would agree.

But I haven't noticed any dependence of Pandora's guard on the week; please explain... or let someone else explain.
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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I really like this, but there couldn't have been even 40 of them there, as it's the first week, and only Pandora guards it!!!
It turns out that many still don't know how to determine the number of units guarding certain objects!!!;)
But doesn't it matter that Pandora can be quite strong?

Let's look at the formula - the upper limit of the loot on the starting respawn points is 15000, the value of a green stump is 803, I didn't calculate the scaling coefficient for 15000, but since for 12500 it's about 2.2, let's assume that here it will be 2.5. Therefore, the maximum number of green stumps = 15000/803*2.5 = 47.
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at the very least, a debatable statement:)

We can certainly argue about it!
The calculation of unit numbers primarily depends on the following factors:
1. What week of the game is it?!
2. What objects or which objects are they guarding?!
3. The amount of health the unit has?!
4. The level of the creatures?!

But primarily, the calculation is based on the experience of the player...
For example, in the tournament in Kyiv, I personally cleared a group of ogre-cannibals on day 113. Our main observer and fan, SMOLLEST, was sitting nearby and strongly advised against touching them, as there could be up to 49 of them. To which I replied, taking into account the factors mentioned above, there could be between 32 and 38. When I attacked, there were 34. This fortress with 15 grand units and a gnome shield was cleared with the loss of only 8 units. Thanks for your attention!!!
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Isn't it true that Pandora's chests can have a large amount of loot?

Looking at the formula, the upper limit for loot on starting spawn points is 15,000, and the value of a growth stump is 803. I haven't calculated the scaling coefficient for 15,000, but since it's around 2.2 for 12,500, let's assume it's 2.5 here. So, the maximum number of growth stumps is 15,000/803*2.5 = 47.


Can we apply the same calculation to the Treasury as we do for spawn points?
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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Looking at the formula - the upper limit of the contents at starting respawns is 15000, ...
It wasn't even at the respawn, but in the treasury

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...I personally broke through a crowd of ogre magi on level 113...
One thing is guarding a respawn, another is a pandora's box with who knows what..
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We can argue, of course!!!
The calculation of unit value is primarily based on the following:
2. What or which objects are they guarding!!!
Thanks for your attention!!!


Well, if you don't know what's in the Pandora's Box, how can you guess its value?
There could have been almost 50. Vic is right.
I think you also took a risky approach by attacking the Ogres. You ended up losing the game because of it. If you had sent the Valkyrie that arrived to the afterlife, you would have won. "Not losing momentum" doesn't mean taking a 50/50 risk of losing.
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