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Offline Avern
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Tazar should have more gnolls in his army, but overall, his result is worse; he loses two more lizards, and his setup is completely different (which makes it harder to describe). I'll post Vestan's today.
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Tazar should have more gnolls in his army, but overall, the result is worse; he loses two more lizards, and his formation is completely different (which makes it harder to describe). I'll post it for Vestan today.
I tested it as written: 2 vivs, 4 basilisk, 40 gnolls, 23 gr. lizards, only single flies, not 14, but without GS in the medusians. With GS, probably the basilisk in stacks of 5 are sacrificed, and all the flies are needed - 12 of them in the first round close the gr. stack, or rather, they attack with the gnolls in stack 4, and the vivs close the greased one, so that they cannot crawl onto the gnolls.

P.S. With 14 flies, the eighth map with GS is taken with the loss of basilisk, a little more than half of the flies and gnolls; the tactic changes slightly.
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Actually, I tried it without Basilisks, using 8 Gnomes instead, and 9 Flies, i.e., as in the first post, where it's written that Basilisks can be replaced with Gnome Golems. And of course, with a stack.
It seems you're less interested in Wistan. It's clear that it's easier with him.
However, the idea of letting the right flank shoot at the enemy works, and the losses are generally quite acceptable. You can take about 6 Flies, which is already a lot without a hiding spot. On average, I lose 25-35 Gnolls, 5-6 Flies, and Gnomes.
Overall, considering the possibility of a smaller Medusa Nest and Tazeek's higher stats, the idea is quite viable. I'll keep it in mind.
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Capturing the Medusa Lair with a Greased Stack. (Medusas in stacks of 8, on the Swamp)
A level 5 Westan hero, expert in Armor and Archery.
Army and deployment: 2 Sylphs, 2 Flies, 25 Goblins, 4 Flies, 4 Basilisks, 40 Gnolls, 3 Flies.
Round 1 Flies 2 and 4 carefully move to the positions marked with crosses, without touching the Medusas. Flies 3 attack the Goblin stack; the Medusas retaliate, killing 1-2 Flies, possibly petrifying some (it doesn't matter). Sylphs attack the Goblin stack, leaving a gap for the Gnolls; they kill one. Lizards shoot at the Goblin stack, killing 3-4 Medusas. The Goblin Medusas attack a Fly, but even they can't kill it. Gnolls finish off the Goblin Medusas through the gap between the Sylphs and the Fly.
Still Round 1 Gnolls finish off the Goblin Medusas through the gap between the Sylphs and the Fly. The right stacks of Medusas attack the Basilisks, killing two. The upper-left stack of Medusas attacks 2 Flies (always! and this is very important; if they attacked 4 Flies and petrification occurred, it would greatly hinder the creation of a pocket for the Lizards). In the example, 2 Flies are killed immediately :(
Round 2 4 Flies take the place of the deceased. Sylphs attack the upper-left stack (not fearing petrification). Lizards shoot at the right-middle stack, killing half. Gnolls move upwards. The right stacks of Medusas finish off the Basilisks; they may also shoot at the Gnolls.
Round 3 Flies move to the place of the Basilisks as bait. Sylphs and Gnolls (Gnolls move before the upper-left Medusas) finish off the Medusas. Thus, a pocket is formed. Medusas attack the Flies, but they won't kill them all. Lizards shoot down the right-middle stack.
Round 4 Lizards move into the pocket. Medusas finish off the Fly, shoot at the Gnolls, and run out of arrows.
It is always possible to save the Lizards and Sylphs (even if the Goblin Medusa stack applies petrification for two rounds in a row). The losses of Gnolls depend on the size of the Goblin stack.
Losses: 4 Basilisks, 9 Flies, 10-24 Gnolls.
The description is a bit confusing, but there are many possible actions for the Medusas with their abilities and morale. I can't describe everything. The morale of the right stacks of Medusas is not very scary; they will simply run out of arrows sooner, and their abilities only work in melee.
In general, I have doubts about the effectiveness of this method; I would be glad if someone could suggest a more reliable and less costly one.
PS If the Lizards are placed in a single stack, the right Medusas, if they quickly eliminate the Goblin stack (due to morale), will immediately attack the Lizards. If the Lizards are in the 3rd stack in the same situation, they will shoot at the Gnolls.

Oh, I almost forgot the save file.
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I had a similar setup. 26 Lizards, 2 Wyverns, 4 Basilisks, 45 Gnolls, 15 Pikemen (from the second hero), 3-4 Flies. Tazar, level 1-6, with armor. Losses: a couple of Basilisks, 10-15 Gnolls, Flies, and some Pikemen. The order was: Wyvern-Gnoll-Wyvern-Lizard-Pikemen-Flies-Basilisk.
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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Capturing the Medusa Lair with a Graveyard Stack. (Medusas in stacks of 8, on the Swamp)
Hero-Westan, level 5, expert in Armor, expert in Ranged Attack.
Army and formation: 2 Sylphs, 2 Flies, 25 Goblins, 4 Flies, 4 Basilisks, 40 Gnolls, 3 Flies.
Round 1 Flies 2 and 4 carefully move to the positions marked with crosses, without touching the Medusas. Flies 3 attack the Goblin stack; the Medusas retaliate, killing 1-2 Flies, possibly petrifying them (it doesn't matter). Sylphs attack the Goblin stack, leaving a gap for the Gnolls; they kill one. Lizards shoot at the Goblin stack, killing 3-4 Medusas. The Goblin Medusas attack a Fly, but even they can't kill it. Gnolls finish off the Goblin Medusas through the gap between the Sylphs and the Fly.
Still Round 1 Gnolls finish off the Goblin Medusas through the gap between the Sylphs and the Fly. The right Medusa stacks attack the Basilisks, killing two. The upper left Medusa stack attacks 2 Flies (always! and this is very important; if they attacked 4 Flies and petrification occurred, it would greatly hinder creating a space for the Lizards). In the example, 2 Flies are killed immediately :(
Round 2 4 Flies take the place of the deceased. Sylphs attack the upper left stack (not fearing petrification). Lizards shoot at the right middle stack, killing half. Gnolls move upwards. The right Medusa stacks finish off the Basilisks; they may also shoot at the Gnolls.
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If in round 1, the Goblin stack petrifies the Flies retaliating, then it will attack the Sylphs, and if it petrifies them, the Sylphs will not be able to attack/block the upper left stack in the second round, which could cause problems.
I did it a little differently. The upper left stack attacked with a single Fly, Lizards, and Gnolls. One Medusa survived for Tazik, but it was no longer dangerous. Westan will kill this stack immediately, and you don't need to waste a Fly on retaliating.
The Graveyard stack attacked with a single Fly, then a large stack of Flies, then Sylphs. In this way, the Sylphs will not be attacked in the first round under any circumstances. I moved the Lizards to the upper left corner in the second round to keep them out of the direct fire of the right flank; they then attack the Goblins first, then the Gnolls. In the second round, Flies again retaliate against the Goblin stack, if they haven't been petrified, and then the Sylphs attack. If the Flies have been petrified, the Sylphs defend, and then proceed according to the situation.
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Actually, petrification on Viv doesn't cause many problems, even though it seems impossible; it just makes the gnoll stack a bit worse in this case. The probability of double petrification is very low; if I'm not mistaken, it's 4%.
And in general, I repeat, the Medusa on the first map is tough; here, dimples and a Hollywood smile don't help. :D You need to think about every move and not lose fighting spirit if the girls suddenly start having morale or ability issues.
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You need to think through every move and not lose morale if the girls suddenly get a morale or ability boost ;)
I wasn't suggesting playing without thinking or losing morale; I was just saying that the option of hitting the group stack with two flies in the first round seems more reliable to me, if only because the vivs not only won't be petrified, but also won't take damage in the first round.
Besides, the option has been tested in the average conditions you suggested: "A small arena or 5th level Wistan, 20-25 lizards".
Wistan with experience-based shooting and +25 armor is the best option from the proposed range;)
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It’s quite possible that your approach is better, which is why I brought up the question for discussion. We need to test it.
As for Tazar, I have a different setup and similar actions to yours, only I eliminate the group of units and move the lizards to the lower left corner.
For Vestan, I use 25 lizards and 40 gnolls, and for Tazar, 20 lizards and 40-50 gnolls. I tested it under these conditions.
However, Vestan can manage with just 20 lizards, and Tazar with 40 gnolls.
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Vistana 25 var. lizards and 40 gnolls is enough for max Dwarf Cottage)))
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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Challenge:
18 Grand Mages, 40 Kentauros, need to break through level 36 with them!!!
What are your losses?
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Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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Challenge:
18 Grand units, 40 Kent units, need to break through a 36-grade defense on day 117. How many units will be lost?!
Who has what losses?
After the battle, there were fewer units left.
Discord  5884
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Task:
18 Grand Knights, 40 Kentaur Riders, to break through level 36 with 117 units!!!
What were the losses?
Tried 3 times

1) 18 Grand Knights, 40 Kentaur Riders - loss. With this army, I wouldn't attack them, 100%. 121 units defeat them without losses; it's a pointless risk. With an artifact for morale, you can try, but otherwise... 1 morale at the wrong time and it's over.

But if you really want to... :) I took 5 Halberdiers in the Castle.

2) 18 Grand Knights, 40 Kentaur Riders, 5 Halberdiers
Everything was okay (morale was around 4), in the last round, I took a risk and got hit with morale.
Losses: 2 Grand Knights, 4 Kentaur Riders, 5 Halberdiers

3) I attacked the same way, but I didn't risk the Grand Knights.
Losses: 13 Kentaur Riders, 5 Halberdiers

And the monetary loss, of course, was 1300.

Yes, and there might be 49 of them for Pandora, is it even worth it?
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Couldn't resist, sorry ;). Lost 7 units. P.S. There were 33 of them, not 36, by the way...
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Если нельзя но очень хочется то можно. Живём один раз =).
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the battle is won quite easily with the help of a fly; the only thing is that the morale drop, followed by the killing of the poor insect, can lead to very unpleasant consequences :)
my losses: one fly and 5 units, but I wouldn't have engaged in the battle anyway, as there's no point in taking such a risk.

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