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Revan, no way, figure it out yourself, I can't be bothered) but you often used a three-letter word, and that's an insult) :P
Insult. Not anger, though.

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well... maybe your insults are what trigger my anger? See, it's still anger after all.

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Well, if your neighbor decided that a minotaur sage is his opinion, and he wants to create such an image, I won't interfere, as long as he doesn't try too hard to prove that his image is the only correct one.
However, this image will only exist in his altered consciousness. For everyone else, the creature will remain a mythological half-bull, living in a labyrinth and tearing apart, and then devouring, young people. And if someone creates a topic on a thematic forum: "Minotaurs - are they cool or not?", and your neighbor writes there about his idea of a smiling minotaur sniffing flowers in a cassock, then he will either be ignored or sent to the infamous three letters. Because opinion is opinion, but no one has ever considered simple sanity to be a negative quality.
I have never liked blind fighters for copyright and intellectual property, but to distort the original source is, at the very least, bad manners.
I love breaking stereotypes. That's why...
Go ahead, break stereotypes and have fun with ancient myths, you can even write your own non-banal bible without stereotypes about the Jewish people, but don't "force others to take into account a different point of view" in that case.
And in the East, by the way, a dragon is a quite peaceful, wise, and positive creature. This is also a tradition, a canon, a rule. And also about dragons.
Do you see Eastern dragons in fantasy works? I don't. So, let's not bring this up.
Perhaps I was wrong/didn't look closely enough, but in your posts, I only saw the imposition of a one-sided opinion about the nature of dragons, when for several pages people have been trying to prove to you that dragons can be different.
Not imposition. As far as I remember, after my statement, everyone suddenly decided to convert me to their faith, convincing me of their rightness and the limitations of my words. I'm just cooling down this fervor with facts. Yes, mythological ones, but facts.
Regarding the appearance, for example, of centaurs or minotaurs. If I'm not mistaken, the words themselves hint at the appearance of the creature they name.
Not really. Just a little bit.
But nevertheless, as was said above, I did not see that you took into consideration someone else's opinion.
Didn't see... Did you not notice my analogy? Have you not read my posts before? There was also mention of intelligent dragons. More than once. Or is it enough to answer a message to forget it, answering the next one?
Hmm. If I say that your opinion is limited, it doesn't mean that I am right.
If you are not right, then why do you have the audacity to talk about the limitations of other people?
You claim that dragons are ONLY stupid killers, and you dismiss "rare exceptions to the rule" as unnecessary. Yes, I understand, this is your opinion, your attitude, but you still need to be at least a little more objective. We all already understand and accept your opinion, but you still don't care about others.
Understood and accepted? By trying your best to prove to me my limitations and wrongness? Ignoring the topic and moving on to personal attacks?
The discussion itself is quite entertaining and interesting, I just would like to conduct it in a more friendly and positive tone. After several attempts to bring the conversation to a semi-fluffy-friendly manner, I ran into a wall of seriousness, closed-mindedness, and a certain categoricalness. Naturally, I couldn't like that. Hence all the attacks. Less sharpness (yes, on both sides) - and the conflict will be resolved.
"I'm a moderator, and I'll ban you," "oh, come on, she was just kidding" - this doesn't really encourage a "semi-fluffy manner," whatever that means. Regarding friendliness, I don't know why you feel offended. Perhaps friendliness lies in putting a lot of emoticons, but I'm sorry, I don't do that. However, maybe you will feel better if I say that I am conducting the conversation completely impartially? Without feeling any dislike? Especially after an apology.
Regarding the voting.
What does the correctness of the option in the poll have to do with it? An option is an opinion. And as you yourself said a little higher - "it's the neighbor's opinion, I won't interfere." So, you can just discuss it, without trying to impose something or accuse someone of something, right?
I repeat once again, it depends ONLY on the author's imagination. Whatever he wants, that's how it will be.
Yes, and then fantasy fans will send him to the three letters for making elves six feet tall and settling orcs in trees. If the book/movie/game/tabletop setting is even released.
Well... At least he fantasized. Ignoring all decency.

P.S. Do hating, warlike gnomes who love magic exist? As far as I remember, neither their height nor their physique allows them to lift heavy objects.
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However, this image will only live on in his altered consciousness. For everyone else, the creature will remain a mythological half-bull, living in a labyrinth and tearing apart, and then devouring, young people. And if someone creates a topic on a thematic forum like "minotaurs - are they cool or not?", and a neighbor writes there about his idea of a smiling minotaur wearing a cassock and sniffing flowers, then he will either be ignored or sent to the infamous three letters. Because opinion is opinion, but no one has ever considered simple sanity to be a negative quality.
What difference does it make what they say? You and Kosha are moving towards something similar to philosophy. Regarding the minotaur specifically, who he is is described in detail in Greek Legends. Regarding the others - orcs, dwarves - the perception is indeed different. Nowhere is it written what they should be exactly, and this also applies to dragons, as Kosha said.
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I have never liked blind defenders of copyright, but to distort the original source is, at the very least, bad manners.
Where is the original source? For example, as far as I know, elves in the original source are generally one of the cosmic races, aliens. The original source can be used to judge the same minotaurs, since it comes from the legends. But there is no original source for the others.
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For God's sake, break stereotypes and have fun with ancient myths, you can even write your own non-banal bible without stereotypes about the Jewish people, but just don't "force others to take into account a different point of view" in that case.

where is it forcing anyone?
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Do you see Eastern dragons in fantasy works? I don't. So don't bring this up.

we are talking about ALL dragons.
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Not imposing. As far as I remember, after my statement, everyone suddenly decided to convert me to their faith, convincing me of their rightness and the limitedness of my words. I'm just cooling down this fervor with facts. Yes, mythological facts, but facts.

I won't say anything, I don't remember what it was about)
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No. Just a little.
The same minotaur, read the legends, its name is telling.
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Didn't see... Did you miss my analogy? Have you not read my posts before? There was also talk about intelligent dragons. More than once. Or is it enough to answer a message to forget it, answering the next one?

didn't see. We didn't see how you acknowledged the existence of any other opinion.
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If you are wrong, then why can you so easily talk about the limitedness of other people?

she didn't say she was right. Only that she might be wrong. By the way, since we're talking about philosophy, the concept of truth is different for everyone.
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Understood and accepted? Trying with all your might to prove my limitedness and wrongness? Abstracting from the topic and moving on to the person?

yes, we accepted, what's stopping you?
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"I'm a moderator and I'll ban you", "oh, she was just kidding" - this doesn't encourage a "semi-flooding manner", whatever that means.
why doesn't it encourage it?
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Regarding friendliness - I don't know why you feel offended. Perhaps friendliness lies in putting a lot of emoticons, but excuse me - I don't do that. However, maybe it will be easier for you if I say that I am completely indifferent in this conversation? Not experiencing any dislike? Especially after the apology.

indifferent and cold.
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What does the correctness of the option in the poll have to do with it? An option is an opinion. And as you yourself said a little higher - "this is the neighbor's opinion, I won't interfere." So, you can just discuss, without trying to impose anything, or accuse anyone of anything, right?

is it wrong to prove the correctness of your opinion? Unless, of course, you accept the fact that your opinion may be wrong, and someone else's may be right.
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Yes, and then fantasy fans will send him to the three letters for making elves six feet tall and settling orcs in trees. If the book/movie/game/tabletop setting is even released.
Well... At least he fantasized. Ignoring all decency.

there are no stereotypes, he can fantasize. Personally, I wouldn't care about those who would send him to the three letters.
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P.S. Do warlike gnomes who hate magic exist? As far as I remember, neither their height nor their physique allows them to lift heavy objects.
of course. Gnomes are not only those small, fat little men as in children's cartoons))

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However, this image will only be alive in his altered consciousness. For everyone else, the creature will remain a mythological half-bull, living in a labyrinth and tearing apart, then devouring young people. And if someone creates a thread on a themed forum called "minotaurs — OP or not?", and a neighbor writes there his views about a smiling, flower-sniffing minotaur in a robe, he will either be ignored or told to go the infamous three-letter route. Because an opinion is an opinion, but basic sanity has never been considered a negative trait.
Don't speak for everyone here. It's not impossible that someone might like exactly this image of a minotaur. After all, the Cerberus also existed as a single entity, yet in HoMM or KB, nothing prevents a player from having a stack of 10k Cerberi.
I have never liked blind crusaders for authorship rights and copyright, but distorting the original source is, at the very least, bad manners.
Nevertheless, you are stubbornly fighting for the copyright of that person who first invented the image of a dragon as a machine for killing, hoarding gold, and kidnapping princesses.
Do you see Eastern dragons in fantasy works? I don't. So there's no need to bring this up.
Explain to me, you fool, in simple terms, how Eastern dragons are worse than Western ones and why you can't talk about the former, but you can about the latter? Or does the statement "if facts contradict the theory, so much the worse for the facts" come into play here? Mythology is not far removed from fantasy, when it comes down to it.
Not imposing. As far as I remember, it was after my statement that everyone suddenly decided to convert me to their faith, convincing me of their correctness and the narrowness of my words. I am simply cooling this fervor with facts. Yes, mythological facts, but facts nonetheless.
Don't like dragons? Fine. Reread your posts. You consider ALL dragons to be the same. We are trying to prove that dragons can be DIFFERENT. You, however, stubbornly defend your point of view, and if you encounter a fact that contradicts it, you dismiss it as unnecessary (one needn't look far for examples — take the Eastern dragons).
No. Only very slightly.
"Minos," if my memory serves me correctly, means "bull" in Greek. Do you call that "very slightly"?
Haven't seen... Haven't you noticed my analogy? Haven't you read my posts before? There was mention of intelligent dragons there. More than once. Or is it enough for you to reply to a message to forget it while answering the next one?
Was it mentioned there that dragons are on the intelligence level of a dog or a child with an intellectual disability? That I saw and remember.
If I am wrong, why are you so quick to discuss the narrow-mindedness of other people?
It's obvious. You choose only those facts that support your theory, dismissing and refusing to acknowledge others.
Understood and accepted? While trying your utmost to prove my narrow-mindedness and wrongness? Abstracting from the topic and making it personal?
And why would we try to prove your own point of view to you? We are proving that our opinion has a right to exist because it is backed by certain facts, albeit few. You are wrong if only because "the number of examples of intelligent dragons is so negligible that they can be disregarded." So who is abstracting here?
"I'm a moderator and I'll ban you," "oh come on, she was joking" — it doesn't exactly encourage a "semi-flooding manner," whatever that means. Regarding friendliness — I don't know why you feel slighted. Perhaps friendliness consists of putting lots of smileys, but sorry — I don't do that. However, perhaps it will make you feel better if I say that I am conducting the conversation completely dispassionately? Without feeling any animosity? Especially after an apology.
If you are so afraid of a ban, I hasten to reassure you — on HeroesWorld moderators cannot ban. Besides, I didn't say "I'm a moderator and I'll ban you." I just threatened with the banhammer. Look at Arandora in the neighboring thread; I beat him to a pulp with it, and so what? We're flooding peacefully, and no one thinks of getting offended and yelling at me for exceeding moderator authority, which doesn't exist in principle (moreover — I behave like an ordinary flooder, and the banhammer is nothing more than an epic-sized hammer with a cool name). If I really wanted to spite you for such an attitude towards dragons, using my moderator rights, I would have deleted all your posts without warning and closed the topic. Do I need that? I tried to draw you into our atmosphere in the hope that you would understand the figurative thinking of the local flooding crowd, because your posts look a bit out of place against the backdrop of our bedlam (in no way an insult to your mental faculties or style, just so you know). I'm not calling on you to use tons of smileys (I don't suffer from that myself anymore, though I had that sin in my time), but the very tone of your post is clear to me. That goes for the formal "you" as well. Age? Relax, I'm 17. A green nickname? What's so special about that? Moderators aren't demigods, but people just like all the flooders. Our green-nick users don't suffer from delusions of grandeur. A tribute to rules of politeness? When I came to HeroesWorld, I was amazed at how easily and freely everyone used the informal "you" with each other. It's perfectly normal for us to use it with someone 10-15 years older, and no one sees anything special in it (though going overboard is certainly not advised). Most arguments, even in serious Heroes-themed threads, are conducted on the level of "Petya, you're an idiot!" "Vasya, you're an idiot yourself!", and in the end, everyone amicably reaches a compromise and no one thinks of being offended. Can't blend into our atmosphere? Try; no one is driving you away yet. Don't want to? We're not forcing you, but then please don't sulk at our "jokes" and "quips." And please, don't use the formal "you" with me. This isn't a business meeting of serious professors and gentlemen and ladies, but a friendly, peaceful conversation in a cozy pub.
What does the correctness of an option in the poll have to do with anything? An option is an opinion. And as you yourself said a bit higher — "that's the neighbor's opinion, I won't interfere." So you can just discuss, without trying to impose anything or accuse someone of something, isn't that right?
I've already apologized for the accusation; there's no need to continue the squabbling on this topic. And in the future, I ask you not to take offense. I speak quite sharply in general, despite all my loyalty to others' interests. I'm trying to fight it.
I'll repeat once more — we are not imposing anything. We are simply convincing you not to speak for ALL dragons.
Yes, and then fantasy fans will tell him where to go for making elves three cubits tall and settling orcs in trees. If the book/movie/game/tabletop setting is even released.
Oh well... At least he got to fantasize. Spitting on all conventions.
Again — don't speak for everyone. Some will tell him off, others might like it. People are different. By the way, thanks for the idea about orcs in trees. I mean that seriously.
Spitting on conventions or deviating from the canon? That too can be phrased differently. Just putting an orc in a tree is silly. But if you design both the character and the habitat accordingly so they harmonize with each other and at least slightly resonate with general perceptions — believe me, there will be people who like it.
P.S. Do magic-hating, warlike dwarves exist? As far as I remember, neither height nor build allows them to lift heavy loads.
Dwarves with banhammers cooler than mine — at least HoMM 5. Dwarves living without magic — KB, TES (if I'm not mistaken, the Dwemer mostly used technology), also in the entire HoMM series they have magic resistance. I don't know the Warcraft universe well enough, I won't lie, but I'm sure if you dig, you'll find similar examples there. In literature, I can give far fewer cases, if only because the only fantasy with dwarves that I've read is "The Lord of the Rings."
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someone creates a thread on a themed forum called "minotaurs — OP or not?"
Revan?)Shuuuut up!!!))))) He will create it! :D *ran off for the trusty banhammer*
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if you're going to create something about the downsides, then let it be about all the factions. P.S. by the way, you said that you don't like bad jokes... so, all jokes about the Banish skill are bad :P

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Arandor, be quiet! Otherwise, you'll really cause trouble!)))
Regarding the banhammer, it's no longer a joke, but a part of my image. I don't always seem like a kind and fluffy cutie with a banhammer at the ready, but I like this image))) Let people, whether they like it or not, say what they want about my character/complexes/upbringing, but for our chat, it's perfect))) At first glance, Kosh seems stern, with a banhammer under her arm, glaring eyes, scolding the spammers, but if you look closer, get closer, she's not that scary, quite peaceful and friendly, if you don't scold her, and if you scratch her behind the ears, she becomes a real fluffy cutie)))
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an image? what kind? honestly, I don't have a specific image for you.
P.S. I don't even know what kind of hero to make you in my campaign. You'd probably fit as a druid or something like that, but I like druids, and I enjoy them...

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but I like druids, and I like them...
And you don't like me, and I don't like you? You offended me, really)))
Since you like druidesses, you can make her an archer or a chaos sorceress (although not a chaos sorceress, they're bald), I won't object)))
image? what is it?
Well, hello, haven't you ever seen Yostu?))) (or this one, I posted the anthro form and the fairy in this thread) At least look at the avatar, it's not there for nothing that a red cat has been there for almost a year)))
Revan is busy. Shhh.
Revan is creating a thread "minotaurs: cute or not cute"? O_o *grabbed the banhammer more comfortably*
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Kosh, no, I can't seem to find a suitable role for you. But don't be sad; it's not just you. I haven't figured out roles for many others yet, and I haven't fully developed all the storylines. P.S. Thanks for noticing; I was trying to be subtle.

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Ar, make me the main villain, please!)))
I'm telling you – an archer))) or, at worst, a squad of 10,000 magical dragons!)))
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too bad, there's no manticore there) they're almost like cats, but with wings :
no, there are already enough villains, as well as just plain warriors and archers) we'll see
P.S. are you willing to be even in an enemy squad? :O well, no, I don't think I have the right evil image for you, I'm more neutral.

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Well, neutrality is exactly what I'm about))) I'll be nice to whoever pets me, and I'll whack whoever throws a slipper at me with a banhammer)))
Yes, I feel sorry for the manticores; they're one of my favorite fantasy creatures.
My favorite schools in Heroes of Might and Magic IV are Nature magic, Chaos magic, and Warfare. You can start from there)

P.S. Even this is a better way to look at my image; here, everything is in one place, and there's a detailed description.
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Kosh, you speak with such wisdom!))
Krabe, when do you plan to finish working on the maps?