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Offline Wicc
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It's not about pushing a specific rule set, but about organization. As long as no potential participant outright refuses to play 8mm6, from my perspective, a good player should be able to play with any rule set and learn those they have less experience with, rather than sticking to just one familiar one.
The issue isn't that the organizers are pushing anything, but rather the traditions of the community and certain requirements for the tournament format. The Heroes community is quite democratic, so it's extremely difficult for an organizer to go against the collective will. In St. Petersburg, everyone plays 8mm6, and they look down on CM. In Kyiv, it's the opposite. Therefore, there are no problems with choosing the rules in these cities. But in Moscow, there are more people, so the range of tastes is wider. There are many strong and respected Heroes players who vote for 8mm6, both in number and in skill. Moreover, I think it wouldn't be difficult for them to play CM, but they're not particularly interested; it's like switching from a racing bike to a tricycle. Yes, it's still a bike, but it's just not the same. Plus, the factor of greater imbalance in the random map generation is annoying – you want to win or lose because of your correct or incorrect decisions, not because of the whims of the generator. After all, the goal is to identify the strongest players, not just to have fun playing with ponies. Similarly, Light is chosen because of the chess clocks, buttons, and the option to set road types. Because the tournament is fast-paced, it's necessary to reduce the duration of the matches as much as possible, but without sacrificing the content. This is also why there are suggestions for re112 instead of re113 and for canceling restarts upon encountering an issue; this is not a whim of the organizers, but a requirement of the situation. Navukh cites Kyiv as an example, but he would be better off not doing so, because a lot of players with only 2 games in 2 days is more of an anti-example. I hope there won't be such a mess in St. Petersburg.
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it's time to remember once and for all: TE-lite is not TE-full, but SoD with buttons!!! and it is made specifically to please pure SoD players, and also for their convenience!!! but here they are mixed together:eek: this is the first thing
SoD with buttons and chess clocks is not needed, SoD is needed! Many want to play what the developers came up with, and not what someone else created, wanting to create a supposedly "improvement". Why should someone who wants to win by working the mouse faster be deprived of this pleasure? :eek:

Does anyone remember Stinger's famous quote?
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Another thought on optimizing the game schedule: play for a maximum of 4 weeks, then save the game and submit it for judging. If the result is obvious, enter it into the table. If it's not obvious, postpone the game and start a new one, temporarily entering a draw in the table. The remaining games are played later, when both players have free time. Or, as a last resort, after the online tournament (if the result of the game is critical for determining the standings). Another option (if the players agree) is to play the remaining game in parallel with another game. TE-Light doesn't start a timer until a move is received, so the game can remain active. This approach will allow for a more compact schedule, reduce the number of delays, and prevent one pair from holding up the entire group. Dirty seems to have entered dumb mode. I'm following Cobra's example...
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Well, if you're all up for it, I'll be happy if a lot of people gather for your format, and it doesn't turn into a TE-party + 2-3 new converts. I've said my piece, and I have the right to do so, damn it! :)
I won't respond to the previous posts individually; I'll just say in general that they all, except for the passages about the need to "be responsible for one's words" (and Vik's last post – I've taken it into account) – they all relate to the issue of definitions, how each person defines (sees) things – then there is no subject for dispute, if we disagree on definitions (there is a Latin proverb, I'm too lazy to Google it – he who seeks, shall find...).
Thank you for your attention.
Стратегия - искусство возможного.

Первое правило форума :
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И не оспаривай глупца" (с)

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Friends, I truly believe that truth is born from debate, but not right now. Perhaps some have forgotten, but it all started somewhere around here... http://forum.heroesleague.ru/viewtopic.php?t=641&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Armageddon, a clever fellow, considered the question and... http://forum.heroesleague.ru/viewtopic.php?t=683 This is where the debate began. To be honest, I don't know the answer even now; both XL and smaller maps had many interesting games, and I enjoy reading the reports from both. And it's not right for people like that to argue.
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Navukh cites Kyiv as an example, but he should have avoided doing so, as a large number of players playing two matches in two days is more of an anti-example. I hope there won't be such chaos in St. Petersburg.
Wicc, if you have a bad personal attitude towards me, then don't generalize and insult everyone who was in Kyiv.
No one said that there was chaos there.
What makes you think that's what happened?
And did you look at the game statistics? Where is the large number of players who played two games? Here's the statistics: http://www.heroesportal.net/events.php?id=52
Four players played two games. Mainly due to the slow play of Volodymyr and Neo. But this can happen anywhere and it did not affect the determination of the strongest.
Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.
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We don't need SoD with buttons and chess clocks, we need SoD! Many want to play what the developers came up with, not someone who wanted to create a so-called "improvement". Why, if someone wants to win by being faster with the mouse, should they be deprived of that pleasure? :eek:

most people live in China :)
Doesn't anyone remember Stinger's famous phrase?

Stinger had a lot of phrases, and if Tyoma is a role model for you — then he is a pure TE player, he for the first time(!!!) won 1st place at the first suburban Tournament in Minsk by mousing, single-handedly winning that one... but before that he had never even seen this very TE in his life...... maybe the General hero skill correlates with one's attitude towards something new? ;)
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"160 percent will allow attracting new players. As the overall level of the game on random maps increases, you can switch to 200%." ...!
When will this bright hour come?
Thank you for the links – I'll refresh my memory.
P.S. Yes, and this: a good player can study the fixes well or master one template, but only an excellent player will master all templates and versions. almost (c)
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I want to reiterate my position. I am not making demands, setting ultimatums, or asking for concessions or discounts. When participating in any optional event, I want to have fun and relax from obligations. 1) Desired map templates: 2sm4d(3), 2sm4d(2), 2sm4d, Panic. Acceptable map templates: balance, jebus. Possible map templates: mini-nostalgia, Skirmish, possibly something else I don't know yet. As a last resort, some fixes would work, if I know them in advance. Completely bad, but still somewhat tolerable: 6lm10. Map templates I will not play: 8XM12, 8MM6 (I've played them a lot, and I don't like them). 2) Desired version: SoD 4.0. Acceptable version: TE-Lite (it would be desirable if it weren't for the bugs, crashes, and desynchronization in battles, etc.). Possible version: TE-Full without classes and experience. As a last resort, I can play with classes. I will not play with experience. 3) Regarding timing: I won't be able to play after December 10th; on all other days, I'm available.
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It didn't affect the determination of the strongest players.
It definitely did! Volodymyr could have taken 1st place!
wowa
The largest number of people live in China.
Take a look at the thread about the match with the Chinese team. :)
wowa
Stinger had a lot of phrases.
He said that fast-clicking is also an important part of the game! And in general, people have been saying for a long time that he deleted TE.

I personally respect SOD very much, I respect TE very much, but I don't understand why TE-Lite is needed????
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Vik, if you have a personal issue with me, there's no need to insult everyone who was in Kyiv.
What's wrong, my friend? I love and respect you. Especially for the opportunity to engage in arguments, both relevant and irrelevant, without resorting to personal attacks. It would be much more boring without you :).

My opinion is that a slow game between one pair shouldn't hold up the entire tournament. A draw could have been awarded, or the game could have been postponed for later.

But honestly, I don't really want to discuss this topic. After all, Nagan's position regarding each qualifier was: "Give me a list of the finalists, and how you choose them is your business."

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He said that fast-clicking is also an important part of the game!
Don't miss out on a special offer, just for fast-clicking enthusiasts - reduced time control.

You can click to your heart's content, and it will also benefit the tournament by reducing game time.
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And in general, it's been said for a long time that he deleted THEM.
Then who did I play against today? Shyt, I've been scammed... I demand a refund!
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Don't miss out on this special offer, just for fast-click enthusiasts – reduced time control.
Well, chess clocks in a time crunch can become critical. All quick battles should be played, but that's not very good :(
Wicc
But who did I play with today? Damn, I've been scammed... I demand a refund!
Well, he must have set it. Everyone makes mistakes, right? :)
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Friends, honestly, truth is born from debate, but not right now.
Some may not remember, but it all started somewhere around here...

http://forum.heroesleague.ru/viewtopic.php?t=641&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

The clever Armageddon pondered the question and...

http://forum.heroesleague.ru/viewtopic.php?t=683

That's where the argument began. To be honest, I don't know the answer even now, what's better - there were many interesting games on both XL and smaller maps, and I enjoy reading the reports from both.
It's not right for such people to argue.
Excellent links... especially the communication culture is pleasing... it's a real contrast.
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Who did I play with today then? Damn, I got scammed... I demand a refund!

to be honest – Tomek had it, but it was archived with a password... :smile38: and he didn't know the password... until the evening of last Friday :(:eek:
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I just can't understand one thing: is there really such a need to hold everything in a short timeframe in Moscow? Why must it be 2 days, 3 nights, 5 rounds?
Couldn't they just play for 2 weekends in a row? Or will there be many guests from afar in Moscow?
And where does this fear of 8mm6 come from? I think it's an amazing template. Read the reports on the CM: in almost every second one, there are complaints. Either the GO blocked half the respawn area, or it gave the opponent more hiding spots, or the treasure was empty.
Besides, something new (which is actually a well-forgotten old thing) has a way of awakening dormant brain cells.
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