Posts from Moscow qualifier.

231, that's how many weeks, sorry? Seems like 6 :) These links are taken completely out of context, and that adds another week to the time compared to 160%. The average game on 8mm6 takes 2-4 weeks, rarely more. On CM, it's about the same. It all depends on the players' style and the time they spend playing. Nagan has already announced that there will be an alternation of templates. You have more than half a year. Study the material! :) And regarding "every cook praises his own broth," I started my participation in tournaments by playing exclusively on the fixed map "divided loyalities" for the first 5-7 tournaments (1999-2000). Simply because there weren't any other maps or templates at that time. Later, I wanted to develop in this game and mastered all versions and templates. :))

We were writing at the same time :)
See - 2.5 weeks, 8mm - up to 7 weeks :)

Complete statistics are needed, not selective ones.

And even more so, it's not a comparison of the average result of a tournament with regulated time limits with the maximum scores of a tournament with practically unlimited time limits – otherwise, it's not statistics, but a distortion! :D :D

P.S. Well, if opponents, even if they are X-Elec, persistently push away arguments that are essentially not arguments, but nonsense, then it is unlikely that anyone will listen to them... The Kyiv tournament, for which the organizers deserve respect, was tailored to the main local crowd, so let the Muscovites play the way they have always played in clubs!!! :)

Those who lack experience will have a great opportunity to hang out, improve, and feel the pleasure ;)
Besides, it is by no means known where the finals will take place – if it's in St. Petersburg or Belarus, then X-Elec will definitely be there – draw your own conclusions!)))))

Saying that L is a map that is played based on time, just like XL, is nonsense and absurd, and those "without experience" on a familiar SM template have a great chance to beat those "with experience."

Saying that L maps take as long to play as XL maps is nonsense and absurd.

I can create a Small template for you that will take at least 5 months to play.

It's not just the size that matters, but also the structure.

There are no Gates of Order on 8mm6, so the first contact usually happens around week 2. Sometimes that's where it all ends.

Plus, road speed matters – Light allows you to set up the desired type of roads, so on 8mm6 there will only be fast roads. Given that good players' main events happen along the roads, this significantly reduces the duration of the game.

But on a CM map, with its poor road network and abundance of off-road runs, road speed doesn't significantly affect the duration of the game.

Saying that L is a map that is played based on time, just like HL, is nonsense and absurd...

damn, one more time for those pretending to be stupid -- ARGUMENTS!!! and not just baseless statements... especially statements from those who claim to know Might and Magic 6 very well)))))

if you don't go (delve) into the Treasury on Castle Map, but immediately pressure your opponent, not letting him go there (don't confuse this with early rushes, which also work on Exile maps))), then in principle the game is faster on average.... but when both players like to "fatten up" (accumulate resources), and it depends on who gets more lucky with resources, then there is no difference.... yes, you can also prolong the game on Exile maps, but this is extremely rare, as I already wrote :)

...... and those "without experience" on a familiar Castle Map template have a great chance to defeat those "with experience".

and I'm ready to repeat, to prove the absurdity of the quote -- I wrote above that I am ready within the framework of a tournament to play Castle Map with anyone, and before the tournament, I can also do a test drive with anyone who wants on Might and Magic 6, with a post-game analysis... the offer is still valid)))))

And how can I contact you, wowa? Regarding 8mm6. You didn't leave your ICQ anywhere: confused:

Single67(red,Castle,Valeska,Valeska) def Piterius(blue,Fortress,Brogchild,Brogchild), 8mm6,231 - first one that caught my eye.

РrotosArchon(blue,Stronghold,Tiraxore,Tiraxore) def phenix3(red,Fortress,Brogchild,Brogchild), 8mm6,224

Rusya(blue,Castle,Valeska,Tazar) def Tenchu(red,Stronghold,Dessa,Gurnisson), 8mm6,226

Sorry then, but 7 weeks is still too long.
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Good example of selecting arguments in defense of your position, somehow these went unnoticed:
Samurai(red,Castle,Valeska,Bron) def Single67(blue,Fortress,Brogchild,Brogchild), 8mm6,132
Mike_SPb(blue,Castle,Valeska,Brogchild) def phenix3(red,Rampart,Kyrre,Kyrre), 8mm6,143
Roland from Gilead(blue,Rampart,Kyrre,Kyrre) def Fank(red,Fortress,Tazar,Tazar), 8mm6,124
Mike_SPb(blue,Dungeon,Shakti,Shakti) def Markon(red,Rampart,Kyrre,Kyrre), 8mm6,137.
Moreover, in long games, a good mm6 score for both players in the pair is present only in the last report (strictly personal opinion), and we somehow keep forgetting that this is a tournament with a 200% start and 2500 gold.

So, how can I contact you, wowa? Regarding 8mm6. You didn't leave your ICQ anywhere:confused:

Yeah, I forgot – I registered here around 3:30 AM :eek: :D

Now I have it :)

To be honest, I don't see a problem.

If both players want to play a skirmish match, let them play it so as not to prolong the tournament.

And if one wants to play Heroes 6, they play Heroes 6, and at the same time, it will demonstrate the time frame within which one needs to defeat the opponent.

Gentlemen.
I ask everyone who has already registered or wants to register to express their opinion:
1) regarding templates:
a) indicate desired templates
b) indicate which ones they definitely will not play under any circumstances
2) regarding the game version:
a) indicate the desired version
b) indicate which ones they definitely will not play under any circumstances
3) regarding the timing of the event:
a) indicate desired timings
b) indicate when they definitely will not be able to play
4) other conditions under which they will not play

Added after 12 minutes
I have updated the first post with more recent information.

Right after SAG. I seem to have forgotten something. I'm leaving this discussion; what's the point of arguing with people who didn't make it to the finals and probably won't? Nagan is right; it's much more sensible to discuss everything with the finalists. Stay healthy, everyone.

With such a relentless, no-holds-barred approach to TE (TE Lite) and the 8... template, I foresee myself being somewhat isolated in the upcoming qualifiers, which doesn't really align with the goals for which all this was started...
P.S. I'm aware that this will likely lead to personal attacks and comments like, "Don't interfere, it's not your business, you're an idiot, who are you anyway, etc."... but can we still express our opinions here, among the loudmouth agitators and leaders of TE? Or what?

not forcing, but organizing. So far, none of the potential participants have outright refused to play 8mm6. From my point of view, a good player should be able to play with any build and learn those they have less experience with, rather than sticking to just one familiar build.

Loy is wrong. The tournament is based on heroes! Heroes are SoD! BUT not 2sm4d(3) and not 8mm6 and not Jebus Cross. The template doesn't change the game!!

Will you come to Novosibirsk for the qualifier? There will definitely be a CM there!

With this kind of relentless pushing of TE (TE Light) and template 8... I foresee my semi-closed circle in the upcoming qualifiers, which still doesn't align with the goals for which all this was started...
P.S. I realize that now they will resort to personal attacks and say something like, "Don't interfere, it's not your business, you idiot, who are you anyway," etc. But can we still express our opinion here, among the loud agitators and leaders of TE? Or what?))

You have to be responsible for your words, even if you write without thinking.

It's time to remember once and for all: TE-Light is not TE-Full, but SoD with buttons!!! and it is made specifically to please pure SoD players, and also for their convenience!!! And here they are mixing them up in one pile :eek: that's the first thing.

Template 8 is exclusively for adding weight to the tournament: the old Moscow hero elite, who came to any city (Minsk, St. Petersburg, etc.) and ripped off the hospitable hosts according to their rules, as a result of which, both in St. Petersburg and in Minsk, the clubs started playing according to Chaos rules)))) they won't get stuck on SMS, no matter how hard you try :smile35: they never played them (seriously, maybe they tried it a couple of times a thousand years ago))))) well, and the new generation should also start getting acquainted with normal templates, and not castrated ones to suit slow modems ;)

I won't give analogies from other areas in terms of progress - those who need it will figure it out themselves (this also applies to TE, but TE is not imposing it - see above)).

So, arguments, not empty flame - please, bring them to the table... or refutation - at least one (!!!) - of what the so-called "unappealable" people are saying... in my opinion, unappealability consists precisely in making statements with the absence of arguments, but not in trying to hear at least one counter-argument when you provide your own arguments... :)