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Offline AlexTheGreat
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I'm glad they make you smile :rolleyes:! But nonetheless, the Chinese player not building Behemoths was dumb, since the respawn is quite rich... Well, okay, in the first week, he was preparing his army to focus on cyclops or something... in the second week, he crushed the dwarf dwellings and at the end of the week had 4 towns! I think there wouldn't have been money problems... and if Mizrael had arrived on the 3rd week, broken through the 4th Griffin Conservatory, and if there had also been Slowness, with which ГО would have been smashed to pieces... who would have met him then?? Plus there would have been a Dragon Utopia or something else, would the Behemoths really have been useless...!?
P.S. The Chinese player was lucky that Mizrael didn't have Slowness...

3 unupgraded bears is a joke!!! There wasn't much money to upgrade them, and a stack of 16 cyclops is pretty decent on 131!.. The Chinese player overall made better use of what was placed on the map than Misha! Although, without a doubt, Misha plays stronger, he just didn't have the right mindset apparently!..
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On 131 you get 10 cyclops, and there are 5 bears... it's stupid to even compare, especially since 3 bears on 121 will take a lot of things, while you can't just throw cyclops as one of the strike stacks into the minimum in Dragon Utopia even on the 3rd. Judging by your calculation, 16 cyclops by 131 might be possible if an external dwelling of cyclops with buyouts was taken from the second week, and the cyclops themselves were at the castle on 117; but if the external dwelling was taken on the 2nd week, who knew on the first that they needed to develop into cyclops. Moreover, compare this layout.
on 131: 5 bears and 11 cyclops or 3 bears and 16 cyclops.
P.S. And in the case of going for bears, there is a free day to build the market, which combined with markets in secondary towns almost guarantees their construction both in terms of gold and crystals, but it's harder to find 20 little reds for cyclops, especially without a market. All IMHO
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If you place bears in the Castle on the first day, you get 7 Behemoths against 131+ Cyclops with ambush. Definitely better.
When I first came to the forum, everyone immediately started convincing me that fighter strength is needed, not ranged strength.
to Wicc, you wrote an excellent article about Castle, please write one about Stronghold.
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Why are you arguing? The Chinese player played as they played, and the bears will continue to be placed first, just as they were before.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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If you place bears in the castle on the first day, you get 7 Behemoths on day 131.
still, 5 pieces... recalculate: 117 = 1 bear, 121 = 3 bears, 131 = 5 bears.
Avern
Please write about Stronghold.
It would be interesting to read an article about it.
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Yes, of course, 5, thank you, I just miscalculated. But still, Behemoths in the Castle + Cyclops from the reserve are better than Cyclops + Cyclops.
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Yes, of course, 5, thank you, I just miscalculated.
But still, Behemoths in the Castle + Cyclops from ambush are better than Cyclops + Cyclops.
It's even better to look at the saves and base your reasoning on a specific game, as Alex (who is Smekhov) did, rather than writing general philosophical reflections.
Behemoths are even better in their native faction and as a secondary unit - but this applies to Jebus, and has nothing to do with this game, just like your statement.
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After a long and unsuccessful registration process, and after shouting a lot of curses. Here's what came out. (By the way, I clicked somewhere randomly, it asked me to accept some certificate, and only after that I was able to register). Please provide a link to discussions about their game with Numone.
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Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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In the match against Mizrael, Lowk built Cyclops in the Castle or Stronghold and took their external dwelling on the first week. By the third week, he had 20 cyclops. If the battle had been on 131-132, he would have only needed to block them correctly—and Misha's angels would have faced some serious shelling. And what would 5 bears and 6 cyclops have done in that case? Well, who knows, the first option seems better. Angels take out 2 bears per hit, but they still need to somehow reach the cyclops under fire.

Lowk - Mizrael
http://www.gamerhome.net/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=302405&extra=page%3D2

NumOne - Cpboy
http://www.gamerhome.net/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=302619&extra=page%3D1

Match Discussion
http://www.gamerhome.net/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=301248&extra=page%3D1
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Cpboy withdrew due to a lack of time to continue playing. It's a shame, of course, as I would have liked to see it through to a logical conclusion, but nevertheless, there is a result.
I am uploading the save files:
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Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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In a match against Mzrael, Lovk built Cyclops in a Castle or Stronghold and captured their lair in the first week. By the third week, he had 20 Cyclops. If the battle were on map 131-132, all that would be needed is to position them correctly, and Misha's angels would be subjected to significant fire. But what would 5 bears and 6 Cyclops do in this situation? Who knows, the first option seems better. Angels destroy 2 bears per attack, and it's still necessary to somehow reach the Cyclops under fire.
In the first week, 2 Cyclops lairs were captured without building a dwelling, and in the second week, they were placed in a Castle.

Both players used expert tactics; if Misha had attacked, the angels with Haste would have reached the Cyclops, and due to the upgraded snakes, he would have had the first turn. But there would still be mana left after the battle with double Gold Output – it's not a certainty.
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Cpboy conceded due to a lack of time to continue playing. It's a shame, of course, as I would have liked to see it through to a logical conclusion, but nevertheless, there is a result.
I'm posting the save files -

Congratulations on the victory!!!! :) :smile20: :smile13: :smile12:
Удача любит подготовленных!!!





Стримы и обучение тут:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWlnXU5R5RLCMuWzIpBc65Q
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Offline Pit for LM
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Cpboy surrendered due to a lack of time to continue playing.
It's unlikely that it's due to a lack of time; his situation is hopeless. Congratulations!!!!!:smile44:
PReDS
Maybe someone who has figured out the registration process can describe how to do it properly, without using words like "sort of," "it seems," etc.?
Go to the following link, Sticky:
http://www.gamerhome.net/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=300808&extra=page%3D1

Enter your nickname, password, password again, and email address in the boxes in sequence, and then click the bottom left button -> log in. They already know my IP address, so I can't take a screenshot.

On subsequent visits, your computer will be recognized, and you will be immediately prompted to log in: Vxod.jpg. Enter your nickname and password; I did not enter a security question.

After that, you will immediately be taken to the page with our tournament: Forum01.jpg. If you follow the arrow, you will be taken to the entire forum for HOMM3: Forum02.jpg.

Our live broadcasts are immediately visible at the top in Latin.
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Offline Volland
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If you place bears in the castle on the first day, you get 7 Behemoths against 131+ Cyclops that ambush. Definitely better.
When I first came to the forum, everyone immediately started convincing me that fighter strength is needed, not ranged strength.
to Wicc, you wrote a great article about Castle, please write one about Stronghold.
It's better to upgrade goblins and dogs, save money, and at the beginning of the week, you can easily take out conservatories with dogs and a rogue. It's better not to buy bears and cyclops if you don't have enough money right away.
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Offline Avern
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It’s even better to just look at the save files.
Why do you think I didn’t look at the save files?
PReDS
and base your reasoning on a specific game, as Alex (who is Smekhov) did, instead of writing general philosophical reflections.
Why build reasoning around this particular game? Probably to draw conclusions for the next game. I’ve drawn my own conclusions: Run + Cyclops from ambush is better than Cyclops + Cyclops. Let’s meet in a game and find out who is right.

NumOne Congratulations on your victory, well done! Cpboy couldn’t bring himself to honestly admit defeat.
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