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I once tried to get mandatory confirmation canceled on the portal. The arguments were somewhat different from those voiced here.
Under the current system, the lack of confirmation becomes a problem for the winner. He is forced to send reminders to the opponent, saves and logs to the administrator, etc., risking gaining a reputation as someone overly concerned with rating. In other words, the player spent time, won, wrote a report, and still has to fuss if his opponent simply doesn't bother.
My arguments apparently proved unconvincing; instead, a proposal was adopted to simply not count wins of debtors. On HeroesWorld, the same system is in place as far as I know. I'm not interested in the local rating, at least for now, and on the portal, this is what happened http://dreamcatcher.metroland.ru/html/rating.htm. Half a hundred games from the season did not make it into the rating; it's hardly become more objective because of that.

The forum was initially created as an anarchic resource where you can do anything you want. Want to swear? Go ahead. Want to not confirm anything? Fine. Want to play? Or not play? It's all good... and nothing will happen for it.

Where did you get the information that the forum was initially created as an anarchic resource? :). I helped create it, and I don't remember setting such goals.

Where did you get the information that the site was initially created as an anarchic resource? :). I contributed to its creation, and I don't remember setting such goals.

a subconscious counterpart to the portal :D

But seriously, I personally don't see the point in introducing a rule against unconfirmed statements. Is this because of some bruised ego after losing? I personally wouldn't mind saying [curse word], 2-3 words. I don't know about others.

It's not worth it. Otherwise, violation points will come into play. (TaKo)

Even though I actually enjoy confirming losses (while trying to understand my mistakes), I strangely agree with Samurai's proposal. He explained everything correctly. The only thing is that a minimum limit of confirmed wins should be introduced for new players (5-10 at least) so that there aren't any random reports "made up out of thin air." Otherwise, I don't see what the problem is:confused! If you want, confirm it and show good sportsmanship; if you don't want to, don't confirm it if you have personal reasons. What does "anarchy" have to do with it? I can't understand...
A lyrical digression à la Averne:) :
"Once, Diogenes came to a lecture by a famous philosopher, sat in the back row, took a fish out of his bag, and held it up above his head. First, one listener turned around and looked at the fish, then another, then almost everyone. The enraged philosopher cursed:
- You ruined my lecture!
- But what is the value of your lecture if some miserable fish distracted everyone?";)
So, here, you write about "fighting spirit" and "sportsmanship"? Let's see if they really exist, or if "some miserable fish" – the cancellation of mandatory confirmation – will suddenly make everyone "unsportsmanlike":D ?
And confirmations like "it happened, thanks" are just unpleasant to read, and those who write them might as well not confirm anything at all... IMHO, of course:cool:.

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Ah, and most importantly! I would like to hear the opinion of the respected vbn, our forum martyr (there's no other word for it, given the number of unconfirmed reports), the unconfirmed report hunter! What does he think about this?..

Game confirmation serves as direct proof that the game took place.

Where did you get the information that Bai was initially created as an anarchic resource? :). I contributed to its creation, and I don't remember setting such goals.

Evgeny, correct me if I'm wrong, but Bai was created when everyone suddenly left the portal because they didn't like the administration's actions, etc. Well said:

an unconscious antithesis to the portal :D

As one respected person told me, when Bai was being created, they said: "Do whatever you want here." I won't argue with that.

I can't claim what was true in the past, but I can assert what I see and what has been happening for the past year. And what I see is what I wrote above in bold!

The most popular topic about poker, which doesn't correspond to the purpose of the resource, is clear evidence of this. The most popular topic in the main section, filled with a lot of profanity and no moderation. If this isn't anarchy, then I don't know what is.

There's nothing wrong with anarchy. Well, what can you do if that's the nature of your resource? Such views also have the right to exist.

Yes, right now it's more like anarchy. But that wasn't the original plan, and it wasn't like that at the beginning.

now think about who will monitor the accuracy of the reports?

so there's a victory, there's confirmation.

and it will be: victory, no confirmation, and a mandatory check of the user to verify their existence. like

"Lider1 def Vasya Pupkin".

It's unlikely that Wargaming will find this easier :D Although, let him say it himself.

Just ask any resident of HW: "Will you confirm the report if you lose?"
Most will answer without hesitation: "yes," and even get offended: "as if you think I would do otherwise!"
Only Samurai has some doubts about this, but he won't have to face the task of writing/confirming a report anytime soon, given his attitude.
Why does he allow himself to directly insult Dirty, just because Kostya expressed his opinion on another resource?

Any tournament is a serious sporting event. Those who have been involved in sports know how important rules and discipline are. Our rating is the most popular and largest tournament in HOMM3 online. Based on its results, an award is given for the avatar each season, and now the Best Players for each castle are also determined. There are rules for this tournament, there is a host and a judge who spends their time, energy, and nerves on running it. They have requirements for the format of the games and reports, which must be followed by all participants in the tournament. Dozens of players participate in the tournament, many of them are newcomers who sometimes don't even know the nicknames of their opponents (and we also have players who change their nicknames), and hundreds of games are played during the season. It is very difficult to sort through such a large amount of information, and even more so if the reports are written incorrectly or not confirmed. Those who are too lazy/unwilling/have a broken keyboard/are not interested/do not agree with the rules/etc. are not forced to participate in the tournament. There are many tournaments, and you can organize your own rating tournament, count according to your own system, and require reports to be written in the way the host wants (you can not write them at all, or like this: Neznayka - Samurai +1, if the host likes it). I am against not confirming reports, as I remember many controversial situations in tournaments and the rating that were discussed on the forum or by me personally. And I agree with Avern, confirming a defeat is a sign of respect for the opponent, the judge, and the spectators. In all sports, it is customary to greet and say goodbye with a handshake or a bow. Let's respect the requirements, the time, and the nerves of vbn, and let's say thank you to him from the entire forum for his enormous work.

I am against not verifying reports, as I remember many controversial situations in tournaments and rankings that were discussed on the forum.

plus one.

Why is he allowing himself to directly insult Dirty, just because Kostya expressed his opinion on another resource?

I ask the moderators not to penalize Philip with points; we will sort it out amicably.

The excitement has subsided, so we can continue generating ideas. Perhaps this has been suggested before, but what if we also took into account games played on Town Kill 3 maps when calculating the rating? In my opinion, the matches are good, the games can be long, the opponents fight with all their might, and the percentage of real competition is probably even higher than in standard matches... why not?

The passions have subsided, so we can continue generating ideas :) .
Maybe it's a rehash, but I suggest also taking into account games on the map in the Tournament of Champions 3 (TC3) rating... In my opinion, the matches are good, the games can be long, the opponents fight with all their might, and the percentage of real competition is probably even higher than in the skirmishes... why not?

No, probably this isn't an option. After all, very different aspects of "skill" are demonstrated in games on the map and in TC3 battles; in TC3, you don't really have to strategize. So, if a rating is introduced, it should be separate.

Of course, it will have a separate rating.
However, if Volodymyra has enough strength and patience to make Tournament 3 a regular event, then the result in this tournament will essentially be the rating for Tactics.