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Posts from DISCUSSIONS on “Rules for online games in HoMM3 and formulas for calculating player rating.”
Okay, regarding the "Pandora" issue, it seems like a debatable topic. Although, I think vbn has already addressed it. But how did confirmations cause any harm? Isn't it easy to go to the forum, which most people visit every day, click the "quote" button, and write "it was there. thank you"? No one is asking for a detailed description. It really takes a maximum of a minute. Personally, I don't understand the reason for the cancellation. Maybe it's a big burden for someone? :smile32:
Okay, Pandora, this seems debatable. Although I think vbn has already answered this. But how did confirmations harm anything? Is it really that difficult to go to the forum, where most people visit every day, click the "quote" button, and write "it was. thank you"? No one requires a detailed description. It really takes a maximum of a minute. I personally don't understand the reason for the cancellation. Maybe it bothers someone a lot? :smile32:
It might not bother anyone, but I'm sure that if a system for considering reports without confirmations is introduced, there will be people (or specific games) for which confirmations will not be written, for various personal reasons. I believe this would be a step towards understanding all players. Dirty, did you get the impression that I was suggesting completely canceling confirmations? I'm only suggesting excluding them as a mandatory requirement: right now, there is essentially coercion of the losers, and it would be better if the person had a choice and freedom in this regard.
It might not be a burden, but I'm sure that if they introduce a system for considering reports without confirmations, there will be people (or specific games) for which confirmations won't be written, for various personal reasons. I think this would be a step towards understanding all players. Dirty, did you think I was suggesting completely abolishing confirmations? I'm only suggesting excluding them as a mandatory requirement: right now, it's practically coercion for the losers, and it would be better if people had a choice and freedom in this regard.
What advantages do you see in abolishing confirming reports? Can you name even one? I don't understand what "choice and freedom" you're talking about. Why come up with things when everything is already working perfectly? :)
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
I often encourage my friends, and even just newcomers, when they lose. I usually write: "Don't lose heart!" And I give them +1 to their Battle Rating as confirmation. And they, in turn, give me a boost, as there are plenty of reasons to do so :D. This is also a way of communicating. And a person who is unable to confirm a report is not a gentleman. Have you seen how boxing matches end, after the winner has been announced? Both boxers shake hands with the referee and the opponent's coach. And this is after 4 rounds of 2 minutes each, during which the opponents were beating each other's faces. It's a ritual – a way to remain human in any situation... A report confirmation is like a handshake at parting, as if to say, "We'll meet again..."
Gentlemen! Why don't you cancel it, wait a couple of months, and you'll see that there will be those who don't want to confirm. You won't lose anything; on the contrary, you'll see the whole picture. Right now, it's mandatory, with a lot of talk about being a gentleman or not. For those who write a confirmation from the newcomers, you can continue to boost their morale.
I'll just give a few positive examples:
1) While the winner was writing the report, the opponent left the internet and didn't return for a while... There's a plus.
2) The winner will write the report after some time... In this case, you don't need to bother the loser too much.
3) There are people for whom it can be difficult to confirm emotionally. Those who claim here that there are no such people are either not gentlemen or simply don't understand people well, or they don't go out of their way to accommodate them.
There may be other reasons that I may not even know. In any case, I am guided by reality, because this has been introduced on another site, and there have been no complaints about this system, and the fact that reports are not always confirmed only confirms that the system without mandatory confirmations was introduced for a reason.
Don't take this suggestion badly; tell me what drawbacks you see, what exactly is wrong with such a system? Let's discuss it.
Added 1 minute ago Avern
A report-confirmation is like a handshake at goodbye, as if to say, "we'll see each other again..."
I agree! But never in any boxing competition has it been stipulated in the rules that if the opponent doesn't shake hands, the fight doesn't count. Everything should be voluntary.
Added 5 minutes ago numOne
Why come up with things when everything is already working perfectly? :)
How do you know that everything is working perfectly? After all, the one who finds it difficult to write a confirmation or has some kind of difficulty will never say publicly, "I don't want to write a confirmation because I'm very upset and want to forget the game as soon as possible," or something like that.
I don't know about others, but if my report isn't confirmed, I would take it as a sign of disrespect. Personally, I think it wouldn't be difficult for someone to quote my post and write a few lines. If I don't submit the report immediately, I try to send a link to the report in ICQ so that my opponent doesn't have to search for it for too long. I personally don't just not support such cancellations, I'm against them. IMHO, we are adults, and if we decide to play in a ranked match or a tournament, we should know what we're getting into and be kind enough to confirm in case of a loss. It seems simple and logical.
1) While the winner was writing the report, the opponent left the internet and didn't return for a while...
The winner can write the report's introduction, and the loser can confirm it. Then, through editing, you can describe in detail what happened and how.
2) The winner will write the report after some time...
In the Avern-Kash match, I really didn't want to write the report because I thought I won due to luck. And I started delaying the report. And what happened? Kash wrote the report himself; I think it would be difficult for any player to write the word lose, but maybe someone will accuse Kash of weakness?
3) There are people for whom it can be difficult to confirm morally.
If it is morally difficult for someone, they shouldn't play online.
But in no boxing competition has it ever been stipulated in the rules that if you don't shake your opponent's hand, the fight doesn't count.
You don't want to understand me. Rather, you don't want to understand US. We have a different worldview on our forum. A COMBATIVE one. Not confirming the report = shame.
Here's another example from practice: I was playing against Wlk777, and I couldn't place Behemoths on the first level, even though I had enough money; I only needed to exchange 1 crystal, but I got confused at the market and sold the crystal instead. Wlk didn't give me an auto-win. Then I said that I give up. To which the opponent replied: "I'll give up to you, keep playing!" And we continued, I, of course, lost that match, but now I know that Barbos is quite capable of fighting even without creatures.
If it's really unbearable and wounded pride prevents someone from writing a couple of sentences, they can just write something like "it was" or "+", that's all. And if a person fundamentally doesn't want to confirm, due to dislike or something else, then there's no pleasure in playing with them. You, sir, aren't stirring up trouble here:smile38:
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
If it's really unbearable and wounded pride prevents someone from writing a couple of sentences, they can just write "was" or "+", that's all. And if a person fundamentally doesn't want to confirm, due to dislike or something else, then there's no pleasure in playing with them. You, sir, are not stirring up trouble here:smile38:
You completely misunderstand people! For example, Markon, one of the strongest SOD players and a hero game enthusiast in general, a winner against Vitalik and my best hero gaming friend, rarely writes confirmations, no matter who he plays with on Battle.net. However, playing with him again and again is a great pleasure not only for me but for everyone who knows him well! He has some reasons for not writing confirmations; it's his personal business, and I've never asked him why.
Out of the 160 games I've played on HeroesWorld, I confirmed all of them, and everyone confirmed for me. I really don't see any problem here. Confirming a report doesn't take much time, just a little respect for yourself and your opponent. Let it be different on the Bay — in my opinion, our way is better.
I don't know about others, but if my report isn't confirmed, I would take it as a sign of disrespect. Personally, I think it shouldn't be difficult for someone to quote my post and write a few lines. If I don't submit the report immediately, I try to send a link to the report in ICQ so that my opponent doesn't have to search for it for too long. I personally don't just not support this, I'm against canceling the requirement. IMO, we are adults, if we sit down to play a ranked game or a tournament, we should know what we're getting into and be kind enough to confirm in case of a loss. It seems simple and logical.
Now you're talking about disrespect when you have a mandatory confirmation requirement, and everyone "respects" you in this regard. Are you afraid that if the mandatory requirement is canceled, the "respect" will disappear?:D
The site was originally created as an anarchic resource where you can do anything you want. Want to swear, don't confirm games, want to play, or don't want to play... and nothing will happen for it. That's why your tournaments rarely reach the end. IMHO. There are such concepts as sports ethics and sports discipline. And the fact that Marcon doesn't confirm games is because you can do anything here. On the portal, he confirms games consistently. Or am I wrong?
Out of 160 games played on HeroesWorld, everyone confirmed for me and I confirmed for everyone. I don't see any problem here at all. It doesn't take much time to confirm a report, just a little respect for yourself and your opponent. Let it be different on BAY, ours is better IMHO.
Well great! If they always confirmed for you, then you have no reason to think that the new system will make things worse for you!
I was playing with Wlk777, and I couldn't get Behemoths on the first day, even though I had enough money. I just needed to exchange one crystal, but I got confused at the market and sold the crystal instead. Wlk didn't give me an auto-win. So, I said I was giving up. The opponent replied: "I'll give you the win, keep playing!"
I think you're mistaken. I rarely refuse an auto-win, unless it's a tournament and the opponent has already given up, or if I've asked for too many unjustified auto-wins beforehand. More often, I persistently offer an auto-win, but it's not accepted. I would definitely grant an auto-win due to a trading error; it's essentially a non-game situation. Refusing an auto-win in non-game situations is shameful, in my opinion. Sorry for the off-topic. Now, regarding the report system without mandatory confirmation, I believe there's a rational point to it. First, it would significantly ease the workload of the ranking administrator (in each season, there are several dozen unconfirmed reports, almost all of which occur due to players' forgetfulness or inexperience; searching for and sorting them is unnecessary work). Second, silent players like Vigo, who simply ignore other people's reports, would have to write a rebuttal and argue their case instead of proudly remaining silent. So, there are definitely some advantages, in my opinion
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