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SpiriTT

9/9/2009 10:06 AM UTC

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Everything is as usual. "All sheep except me."

ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
Платон.

SEM_56

9/9/2009 10:38 AM UTC

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It's foolish, but you can use 3 games at once, but the question arises: Are all players this skilled, and who even came up with the idea of playing 2 games simultaneously?

Quote: By focusing all your efforts on a common goal, not even a sparrow will fly by unnoticed (Mozheno)...

Ушел с героев, пока пряники)

SAG

9/9/2009 10:59 AM UTC

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3 is already too much. But I think 2 could work. In general, no one forces you to make an entire turn in the second game while the opponent is taking their turn in the first. As I see it, you can plan all your actions in 2-3 minutes and play the second game for 3-10 minutes. Or at least save time on restarts. You can realistically save 20-30% of the time.

Wicc

9/9/2009 11:02 AM UTC

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Generally, the idea is that when there's enough time, players usually don't think about the opponent's move while it's happening; instead, they focus on their own. This means that roughly half the time is wasted. This contributes to the drawn-out nature of many tournaments. To make the waiting time for the opponent's move more productive, here are some possible solutions: 1) Strict time control (so that there isn't enough time to think during one's own turn, only enough to execute the planned move). 2) Playing two games simultaneously. The first option is more challenging for players (especially those who enjoy a drink), so it's often rejected. The second option is more user-friendly (for many reasons).

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Oelm

9/9/2009 11:16 AM UTC

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The idea is good, but only if the second game is in English.

Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.

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Wicc

9/9/2009 12:17 PM UTC

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Oelm

The idea is good, but only if the second game is played with an unlimited time limit.

If it's on Lite, then both can be played with a limited time – the timer only starts ticking when you confirm accepting the turn.

Captain

9/9/2009 12:54 PM UTC

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I don't think it's mandatory to play two games, but it could be an option – someone plays their two games and then can just hang out.

However, another potential problem with this option is the availability of free computers.

Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.

SAG

9/9/2009 1:28 PM UTC

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1) As I already wrote, the first game runs with a timer, while the second one has no time limit. 2) The availability of free computers doesn't matter. I'm talking about playing both games simultaneously on ONE computer. 3) Of course, it's not mandatory, but we will recommend this option. 4) Having both games running with a time limit is not a good option, as the turns won't match, and as a result, you'll have to sacrifice one of the games.

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Wicc

9/9/2009 2:22 PM UTC

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SAG

4) Having both games running simultaneously at their limit is not a good option, as the turns won't align, and as a result, you'll have to sacrifice one game.

So, what's the problem? Just don't take a turn in the other game until you've made a turn in this one. And install the Asma patch, which prevents the window from popping up and distracting you from the game.

Nagan-4

9/9/2009 4:33 PM UTC

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I bought the tickets. As planned, train 093 IA arrives at Michurinsk-Ural at 8:45 on the 25th.

We will definitely meet you.

1) I already wrote that the first game is timed, and the second is on the unlimited time setting.
2) The availability of free computers doesn't matter. I'm talking about simultaneous games ON ONE COMPUTER.
3) Of course, it's not mandatory, but we will recommend this option.

I haven't encountered such a system before; it might be challenging for the players.
P.S. So that the players at the Michurinsk qualifier don't get confused – in Michurinsk, there's a classic Swiss system with 5 rounds, two games are played per day in turn, with rounds starting at 10:00 and 17:00.
Issues with long games will be resolved during the tournament; practice shows that cases of awarding a win are extremely rare.

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Samurai

9/9/2009 5:55 PM UTC

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Nagan-4

We will definitely meet.

I haven't encountered such a system before; perhaps it will be challenging for the players.
P.S. So that the players at the Michurinsk qualifier don't get confused – in Michurinsk, it's a classic Swiss system with 5 rounds, two games are played each day in turn, with rounds starting at 10:00 and 17:00.
Issues regarding long games are resolved during the tournament; practice shows that cases of awarding a win are extremely rare.

I have serious doubts about the opinion expressed here by ВамРад regarding a larger number of games lasting less than 5 hours. Unless the judges exert significant pressure during battles to encourage faster reactions. The last gaming meet-up in Moscow 2 weeks ago ( http://www.forum.heroes.by/viewtopic.php?t=788&start=0 ) showed that more time is needed for a game, although it was the TE version + HL templates, but it shouldn't all be attributed to that: the first game ended on turn 135 and took 7+ hours... the second one ended on turn 147 and took almost 10 hours. Considering that a strong lineup has gathered for the Michurinsk qualifier (which means the battles will be tough, even against neutrals), and often in campaign games, the game lasts until the second month, I think it's worth considering increasing the allotted time per game by 1 hour! IMHO. Although ВамРад certainly has a lot of experience: he knows better.
P.S. I just asked Alex: he says that, in his opinion, in campaign games in SOD between strong opponents, a game takes 6-10 hours.

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PReDS

9/9/2009 6:03 PM UTC

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17-10=7. Where did the 5 hours come from?
Although, on the 4th minute with Gomunguls, we finished one game on the 5th week. I don't know about my opponent, but I had enough of the tedious battles in the first game, and we finished in approximately that time.

In Rossoni, the 1st round was also played on a small map; I don't remember any particularly long games, unless one of the opponents decided to play poker instead (we played on TE_light).

Nagan-4

9/9/2009 6:21 PM UTC

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I have serious doubts about ВамРад's opinion regarding a larger number of games lasting less than 5 hours. Perhaps only during battles will the judges exert more pressure for faster reactions. The last gaming meet-up in Moscow two weeks ago (http://www.forum.heroes.by/viewtopic.php?t=788&start=0) showed that more time is needed for the game, although it was a TE version with HL templates, but it shouldn't all be attributed to that: the first game ended on turn 135 and took 7+ hours... the second on turn 147 and took almost 10 hours. Considering that a strong lineup has gathered for the Michurinsk qualifier (which means the battles will be tough, even with neutrals), and that games often reach the second month, I think it's worth considering increasing the allotted time for one game! IMHO. Although ВамРад certainly has a lot of experience: he knows better.
P.S. I just asked Alex: he says that, in his opinion, games in the SOD between strong opponents take 6-10 hours.

Let me explain. For example, it is quite possible that 16 people will play in the Michurinsk qualifier, this is quite possible, plus or minus a couple of players.
Of course, one person must be in charge of judging (me).
There will be quick games, and there will be long ones. Let's say that in the first round, a couple of games were quick, four were of medium duration (5-6 hours), and a couple were long (up to 10 hours). As a result, those who finished quickly had a snack, wandered around the city, and waited until 5 pm. Or they don't wait, but play among themselves, which is even better.
The rest are drawn for the 2nd round at 5:00 pm, according to the regulations.
We are waiting for the two pairs that took a long time. Of course, if the game in them goes beyond 9-10 hours (and it can last 15-17 hours, and this has happened) - then we will have to make a decision (either one of the players wins, or a draw by mutual agreement, or a conditional draw and a continuation on the second day under favorable circumstances). The players will not be left hungry - there is a pizzeria nearby, and the order will be delivered directly to the club.

Let's say both pairs finish at 7:00 pm. And the winners and losers sit down to play each other. If they play the second round quickly, that's good.
If not, they either stay overnight or finish early in the morning. An acceptable option is to agree to a draw.

Tournament tactics - to lose half a point or even a point for an even distribution of forces. 5 rounds can and should be played.

Such options as "wait 20 minutes in the battle, I'll go out for a smoke" or "... I'll run for a beer..." are not welcome during the tournament. As is sleeping until 3 pm.

Ask Mizrael, Scorpa, Dmitry, Yama-Dharma, Stinger - they played in our tournaments, there is nothing complicated about it. Usually, they played 4 rounds in two days, plus another day for a buffet (picnic) - but we will have to sacrifice the latter. The third day - 5th round.
This is more than enough to identify the best players in the qualifier

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Samurai

9/9/2009 7:23 PM UTC

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PReDS

17-10=7. Where did the 5 hours come from?

I made a mistake...7 hours, that's better. Two games of SOD in 14 hours, even with a short break, will be tough.:p

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Nagan-4

Ask Mizrael, Scorpa, Dmitry, Yama-Dharma, Stinger -

Stop intimidating Mega-ps, Filam 123, Yama-Dharma!
I will answer with Megan, LordDim, Antal, and other players who haven't played in a long time but are deeply respected!:smile24:
I know what the situation was in the last Chaos tournaments in Moscow: one full game was played, and if people had the strength, a save for the second game was made for the next day (often the second game was not even started, or the save was the initial one). Ask those you listed above:D

Nagan-4

9/9/2009 8:45 PM UTC

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I am aware of the situation in the last Chaos tournaments in Moscow: one full game was played, and if people had the energy, a save for the second game was made for the next day (often, the second game wasn't even started, or the save was just the initial one). Just ask those you listed above.

What's the point of asking the respected Mizrael and Scorpio how the save for the second game was made in the last Chaos tournaments? They weren't in Moscow for the Chaos tournaments, just like I wasn't.
I'm only talking about my own championships, of which there have been many. So, 2 rounds a day were played normally.

I don't see the point in asking Stinger and Yamu-Dharma about the Chaos League, because the Chaos League is a thing of the past. Our tournaments are still ongoing.
No offense.

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