Heroes 5 – “A masterpiece or an unfinished product?” — General

<garkin>

3/10/2006 7:40 AM UTC

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to DAK. I don't know, I think we should be satisfied with what we get, otherwise Nival will be offended and won't make any more Heroes games! It will be like with Diablo – Blizzard didn't make a third part, and no one wants to take on such a project. Or it will be like with Fallout, and it will turn out badly.

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ДАК

3/10/2006 7:56 AM UTC

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to DAK.
I don't know, it seems to me we should be content with whatever results, otherwise Nival will get offended and there won't be any more Heroes! It'll end up like with Diablo—Blizzard didn't prepare a 3rd part, and nobody wants to take on a project like Diablo... or it'll turn into a mess like with Fallout.

This is basically "eat what you're given"...
Well thanks... No way.
By the way, the Fallout example doesn't hold up; if they hadn't gone bankrupt, they would have made it...
And Nival can be offended or not, but if Ubisoft pays them enough for an add-on, they'll do it in a heartbeat... It's business, there's no room for offense here...
By the way, projects like Diablo exist and they are called Neverwinter Night or Dungeon Siege...

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<garkin>

3/10/2006 8:41 AM UTC

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This isn't about "just playing whatever you get"; even if the heroes are mediocre, everyone will still buy and play, because a true fan will find enjoyable moments even in Heroes 4 and won't just focus on finding flaws. What's the connection between Diablo and Dungeon Siege?

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ДАК

3/10/2006 8:58 AM UTC

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What is the connection between Diablo and Dungeon Siege???

The same as with Sacred. Mouse-killers.

no matter what kind of Heroes they turn out to be, everyone will buy them and play anyway???

Exactly, I feel it and nival thinks the exact same thing...
No matter what kind of Heroes they turn out to be, I'll buy them, but it's not a given that I'll actually play them for long...

because a true fan will find pleasant moments even in Heroes 4, rather than just looking for bugs

Well, then I guess I'm not such a fan if the game's bugs are so glaringly obvious to me...
Or maybe there are more bugs than before...
PS: and by the way

no matter what kind of Heroes they turn out to be, everyone will buy them and play anyway

-that's called "eat what you're given," since you're a fan...

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<garkin>

3/10/2006 9:05 AM UTC

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Yes, well, with arguments like that, it's hard to disagree!!! I asked a specific question: What is the connection between Diablo and such an "amateurish creation" as DS? In short, arguing here is pointless. It's sad that you don't understand the attachment to the entire Heroes series...

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ДАК

3/10/2006 9:11 AM UTC

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Yeah, damn it, you can't argue with reasons like those!!! I asked a specific question: What is the connection between Diablo and such a "cripple's craft" as DS? In short, arguing here is useless... ...

Don't you think that discussing Diablo and DS is somewhat off-topic...
And I brought up DS as an example that nature abhors a vacuum.
If Blizzard doesn't want to make a sequel, others will... Whether it's good or bad, they'll do it... That's exactly where DS fits in as an imitation...

it is sad that you don't understand the attachment to the entire Heroes series...

It is sad that you don't see the flaws of the game... And are ready to praise everything the developer offers you...
By the way, it's because of people like this that developers start releasing blatant own-work, relying on the fact that no matter how much of a piece of trash the game is, fans will buy it.

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Katrine

3/10/2006 9:16 AM UTC

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It's sad that you don't understand the attachment to the entire Heroes series...

Both Dak and I are waiting for the 5th installment precisely because of this attachment. But what the 5th game will be is the question. Based on the beta, it seems like a rough, hastily made product, not created by people who put much effort into it. IMHO.
For example, I get angry when I read Mishulin's interviews, where he talks about how well he knows the series :D :eek:
If Nival sacrifices the gameplay and tactical aspects for the sake of "beauty and 3D," then I won't like it.

Хронология вселенной Might and Magic
Katrine
Третьи или пятые? Теперь Вы сами выбираете иконки
Диалоги с Модераторами
Сейчас играю в Diablo II LoD
:cool:

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Vlad

3/10/2006 12:13 PM UTC

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Katrine

If Nival sacrifices gameplay and the tactical aspect for the sake of "beauty and three-dimensionality," then I won't like it.

And who would like that???? I'd rather play with 2D graphics but with interesting gameplay than a 3D trinket with no substance.

С уважением, Vlad

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Серега

3/10/2006 12:16 PM UTC

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So, when will they finally be released?

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Vlad

3/10/2006 12:20 PM UTC

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Sergey

So, when will they finally be released?

If I'm not mistaken, they will be released in the second quarter... that is, in about 3 months at the latest.

С уважением, Vlad

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<garkin>

3/10/2006 2:16 PM UTC

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I agree that I was partly wrong, I got carried away and reacted impulsively. I simply haven't seen any demos or betas. And the anticipation of the release is overwhelming all my emotions, so I just want to see what I'm hoping for (and as soon as possible). ;)

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Night

3/10/2006 6:05 PM UTC

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Katrine

I would also add Blitzkrieg here. Just as an example of relentless money-grabbing. So many add-ons (10 in total - all official), and no real improvement in quality...
Let's hope that doesn't happen with Heroes.

What about Heroes?
Armageddon's Blade, Shadow of Death, Alexander, Dragon's Ring, LOTR – aren't these examples of money-grabbing?

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Katrine

3/11/2006 6:48 AM UTC

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Night

What about Heroes?
Armageddon's Blade, The Shadow of Death,

You're comparing apples to oranges. New castle, new units. Crazy campaigns. Making money is what Chronicles of Heroes is all about. I won't even argue about that. Although I liked the story about Tarnum.