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Even with 20 against 10, I'm not entirely sure they'll win in battles against archangels, gray bears, titans, black dragons, and hydras, which can only be defeated with wait.
20 against 10 will be a complete slaughter! It might be difficult against gray bears, but I think they'll crush everyone. One attack from the phoenixes will deal significant damage. After the second attack, there won't be anyone left to fight. And considering that 4 phoenixes will resurrect, it's game over.
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20 vs. 10 will be a complete stomp! It might be tough against the gray bears, but I think they'll crush everyone. One hit is enough for the phoenixes. They'll take out a good chunk right away. After the second hit, there won't be much left to fight with. And considering that 4 phoenixes will resurrect, it's game over.
It's clear that you don't have much experience in TC3. Without a chalice, the phoenixes probably won't take out even 2 archers at once, and 4 will die from the counterattack... then another 4, and there will be about 7 archers left against 12 birds, which is a completely different story. And the fact that 4 will resurrect is far from certain; the range is from 0 to 4... Although, phoenixes are indeed strong in terms of price/effectiveness, but bears are still the best overall, IMO.
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It's clear you don't have much experience with TC3.
Just trying to put someone down. :D I even had to test it. Phoenixes kill 2 Archangels. They have 3 attack and 3 defense, and the phoenixes deal damage, leaving the Archangels with 7 health, and so on. In short, the diagnosis is: there is no chance for any monsters against a doubled number of phoenixes. There simply isn't! There might be a chance for bears, but only with very high initial stats.
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Just to belittle. :D I even had to test it. Phoenixes kill 2 Archangels. They deal 3 damage in retaliation and 3 with a regular attack, leaving the Archangels with 7 health, and so on. In short, the diagnosis is this: there is no chance for any monsters against a doubled number of Phoenixes. There simply isn't! There might be a chance for Bears, but only with very high initial stats.
Em, what does "no chance" mean? So, 7 Archangels are left against 14 birds, so what? But what about the Archangels' morale, for example, +1? So, not everything is so simple, in any case, there is no "overpowering" of other 7th-level monsters by Phoenixes, except, of course, Necrodrakes. I didn't want to belittle, I just want more balanced assessments from such a knowledgeable and experienced player.
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And what else can I call the situation when, after a battle with the gray bears, only 11 Phoenixes remained? Except for "a complete disaster," I can't think of any other word. I think you understand what I mean about the morale.
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So, what do you call it when, after a battle with the gray bears, only 11 Phoenixes remain?
I don't really believe that, sorry ;)
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I don't really believe that, sorry ;)
Should I record a video for you, or upload a save file?
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Should I record a video for you, or upload a save file?
My almost ten years of experience playing Heroes of Might and Magic makes it hard to believe... But please attach a save file, I'll take a look, maybe I'll learn something new again... ;)
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No problem ;)
To be honest, I don't understand how 8 bears can only kill two birds... In Heroes of Might and Magic III, they killed more golden or black dragons... Oh well...
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To be honest, I didn't understand how 8 bears could only kill two birds... In TC3, they killed more golden or black dragons... Oh well...
I'll answer. It's just that in TC3, heroes don't have 0-0 stats, but 10-10. This significantly elevates the bear above other level 7 monsters. But even so, they would still leave 7 phoenixes alive. If the stats were 50-50, the bears would easily win :)
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20 Phoenixes can indeed defeat 10 Behemoths, but only if they attack first. And there will be 8 left, not 11. Besides, everything depends on the heroes' stats, magic, and many other factors. If the Phoenixes attack the enemy immediately in battle, they will be separated from the rest of their troops, while the Behemoths will be supported by Ogres, Wolves, and Rocs.
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20 Phoenixes do indeed win against 10 Bears, but only if they attack first. And there will be 8 left, not 11.
With zero attack/defense stats, at least 11-12 Phoenixes remain, and this number depends slightly on who attacks first. However, in real games, the hero with the Bears usually has some attack stats, and the higher they are, the stronger the Bears become...
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Yes! The Bears are unique; their strength depends to some extent on the development of another hero.
to Max2009, are you planning to analyze all possible combinations here?
It's better to play a party in an online game; you'll immediately gain insight into the price/quality ratio.
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I would gladly, but my Heroes game is acting up. My friend and I tried to play online, downloaded Hamachi, joined the same network, but our computers still can't see each other.
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