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Heroes of Might and Magic IV is...
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Multiple choice Closed 2006-02-20
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A revolution in the series
28.6% 6 votes
Favorite game in the series
9.5% 2 votes
Failed experiment
52.4% 11 votes
They aren't heroes at all (what were NWC thinking?)
0% 0 votes
Just an upgrade for HoMM3
0% 0 votes
Other (please specify)
19% 4 votes
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Horn, no offense, but the second part looks like blatant PR for VoG and TE.
There is a little bit of that. :) Although it wasn't intended as PR, but rather as a more or less detailed answer to the question "what is this and why is it needed"? Because they ask it constantly.

For example, I don't like either one. Regular heroes are closer and clearer to me. And in my opinion, there is more balance in them than in VoG and TE. imho.
To each their own, as they say... although regarding the balance in SoD, that is still overkill. :cool:

It's a great shame about Four for its unrealized potential. It could have been SUCH a game! And now G5 is going back to the thirds and it's not certain it will be better than them...
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It's a pity about the unfulfilled potential of the fourth installment. It could have been SUCH a great game! And now, Heroes 5 is going back to the roots of the third game, and it's not certain that it will be better...
But for most people, the fact is that the fourth game already exists, and it's worse than the third. So, continuing with the fourth game would be a suicide mission:(.
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I think continuing with the third installment would be a good idea...

Or maybe we shouldn't continue with the Heroes series at all?
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It makes sense to continue with the 4th installment – it has too many successful elements. However, it should be continued later, after the release of the 5th game, regardless of whether it's a success or a failure. As for the 3rd installment, it was continued because it has a large and devoted fanbase, which means there's a good chance of creating a commercially successful project. The only concern is whether the Russian developers will deliver.
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It's worth continuing with the 4th installment – it has too many successful elements, but continuing later, after the triumphant or unsuccessful release of the 5th, would be better. The third installment was continued because it has too many devoted fans, which means the chance of creating a commercially successful project is quite significant, as long as the Russian developers don't mess it up:rolleyes:


Name the successful elements, please.
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The lack of standardization in hero development (no fixed combination of skills like earth + wisdom + logistics + air), the absence of irrelevant skills, a significant difference in gameplay tactics for different factions, more challenging battles, the presence of caster units, and other minor details (caravans, etc.). I'm not saying that there are no flaws, but I'm advocating for a fair assessment of the game.
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And weren't there different tactics in the third game? What makes certain battles problematic? Is it more difficult? I wouldn't say so. The lack of standardization is a good thing, though. It's the only thing I liked about the fourth game. It's cool to assemble a diverse party, BUT many classes are clearly weaker than others. For example, the Battle Mage has a bonus to melee attacks and ice bolts, while the Fire Mage has bonuses to ALL Chaos magic. I have a controversial opinion, but this isn't a good thing.
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I don't want to go into detail about the different tactics (in short, I usually controlled three heroes and a squad; the heroes had skills in Order, Life, and Tactics, and later I added Combat, Logistics, and Wealth). But this is for the Life and Order castle; the upgrades are somewhat different for other castles. Regarding your comment about Order vs. Chaos: Order has other powerful abilities (hypnosis, forgetfulness, berserk, etc.). It's all about balance. In terms of battle tactics, the Tier 3 units are clearly inferior; I'll try to explain why. Take a standard, well-developed hero (see above). In 90% of cases, the battle tactic is to slow down the enemy, wait, shoot, and finish off the survivors (if there's a hero who wants to escape, either wait a little longer or use blindness, expert prayer, etc.). During a siege, the arsenal is slightly more extensive. If you've played Heroes 4, you'll know that there are even neutral units (comparable in level and numbers to your army) that can't be defeated without using specific formations and magic, or you'll suffer colossal losses (for example, water elementals protected by something quite tough). That's all for now; sorry, I have to run, it's a holiday after all
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continue with the 3rd one, in my opinion...
IMHO, it's not the same.
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IMHO, it's not the same.
Not the same in the sense of continuing?
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Isn't it more about continuing the game?
Probably he means that continuing with Heroes of Might and Magic III is pointless...
Actually, I think so too...
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He probably means that continuing with Heroes of Might and Magic III is pointless...
Actually, I agree with him...
I meant that continuing with Heroes of Might and Magic III is not the same as continuing with Heroes of Might and Magic IV; a good example is In the Wake of Gods. In principle, I'm against the idea of Heroes of Might and Magic V being just a continuation of Heroes of Might and Magic III (although I don't think it is anyway).
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I meant that continuing the third game is not the same as continuing the fourth, a clear example is World of Xeen.
That's right, because the third game is a continuation of the second, the second is a continuation of the first, and from there it's not far to King's Bounty.
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I meant that continuing with part 3 is completely different from continuing with part 4, a clear example is WoG. And in principle, I am against the idea of making part 5 just a continuation of part 3 (although I don't consider it to be one anyway).
I agree that continuing with part 4 is not the same... And in any case, part 5 is not a continuation of part 3... 3DO is gone!:( :( :(
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