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What format would be best for conducting the SECOND stage of the tournament?
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a single-elimination tournament system, i.e., the loser is immediately eliminated from the tournament
41.8% 23 votes
Full double elimination, i.e., a participant is eliminated from the tournament after losing twice (details and an example can be found in the thread)
58.2% 32 votes
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Double-elimination Olympic system, for 8 participants, for simplicity let's assume the first numbers listed in each pair win:

Round 1
1->5
2->6
3->7
4->8

Round 2
1->3
2->4

5->7
6->8
7, 8 - lost twice and are eliminated

Round 3
1->2

3->5
4->6
5, 6 - lost twice and are eliminated

Round 4
1->4 (since they already played against #3)

2->3
3, 4 - lost twice and are eliminated

Final
1->2 for the tournament win

3->4 for third place

More details http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Олимпийская_система_с_выбыванием_после_двух_поражений
PS I prefer a simple Olympic system.
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Avern

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Round 4
1->4 (since I already played against 3)

2->3
3 and 4 both lose twice and are eliminated
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Here, the question arises: what if 4 wins against 1, and not 1 wins against 4? Then only 3 is eliminated, and 1, 2, and 4 each have one loss, and a cycle is formed: 2>4, 4>1, 1>2. Which of the three goes to the final?
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Fers 17 - I really want to participate in the tournament. Asya - 343719589 - Of course, 6 minutes per turn is good, but 4 minutes is the best option.
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A hoodie is, of course, simple and straightforward, but it doesn't make things any easier for those who lose after the first game. Double elimination is much more reasonable. By the way, 3rd place in double elimination isn't played for; it's awarded to the loser of the losers' final. And 4th place is awarded to the loser of the losers' semi-final. The super final is played until one player from the losers' bracket wins two games, or until the winner's bracket player wins one game.
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The question arises: what if not 1 wins against 4, but 4 wins against 1? Then only 3 is eliminated, and 1, 2, and 4 each have one loss, creating a cycle: 2 > 4, 4 > 1, 1 > 2. Which of the three goes to the final?
I can't list all the possible scenarios; I provided a link where it's explained in detail. There are no difficulties.
I highly respect Wicc's opinion and agree that a double-elimination format is more appropriate, but for the first tournament for beginners, a simple single-elimination format is better.
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Guys, what’s with all this unnecessary fuss? We haven’t even started playing yet, and there’s so much noise, just like before. Forget the voting and all that nonsense. Whatever the organizer decides, that’s what it should be. We don’t need to get new players used to arguments and squabbles even before the tournament! :smile38:
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I've broken all my claws on all sorts of Dubrovins, Pavlovs, Britvocheks, Viks with their 3 sevens, Zhavdets, Medimovs, Rebbelius and so on, and what am I after that? A mega-noob?! Nubarish is my last name!!!
I'm withdrawing from the tournament....
Герои 3 - слоупоки ликуют, задроты - пичале...
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I can mostly only play on weekends or late in the evening... is that okay?
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What will the exact map template be? And what is the precise description (C, M, L)? - first question. And who will be creating the game? Will there be a separate server? - second question. And who will start placing the castles (I think there will be disputes, maybe we should draw lots)? - third question. Organizers, please answer.
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Would Heroes of Might and Magic III: The Restoration of Erathia, Complete Collection version 4.0.0 be suitable?
If so, I'm ready to participate in the evenings, starting from 6:00 PM.
Герои Меча и Магии III Полное собрание версия 4.0.0
Играю до упора, Играю всегда вечером
Без дипломатии (исключение против Некромантов с плащом)
Без крыльев, Без картографа
Ход 2мин
Замок любой, Герой любой
Карта только случайная, без воды, без подземельев

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Hmm... And the first group is really a group of death:eek:; I wouldn't want to be in it, I'm almost certain!

Good luck and fair play to all participants!;)
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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Congratulations to everyone on the start of the first, hopefully annual, tournament
"Newbie - 2000 and something"


As promised, the draw was posted exactly at 23:59 (huge thanks to Revan, I'm completely exhausted today, I wouldn't have managed on my own). I hope that the participants will adhere to the tournament schedule just as strictly. It's great that many have already checked in on the forum today, it's a pity that I can't split myself into 28 pieces and answer everyone. So,

1. The draw was conducted in a rather primitive way, which is easy to see. I hope that no one will ever do it this way again. I can assure you of the honesty and impartiality of the organizers - that's how I originally planned it, and no one was informed.

2. The "first pick" rule is simple. Many are asking, so I will highlight the main points in bold. Each participant has been assigned a number. So: If an even and an odd number are playing, the one with the higher number picks first. If two even or two odd numbers are playing, the one with the lower number picks first

3. The schedule for the group stage games will be posted as soon as I get some sleep and write it. In it, the one listed first in the pair picks first. This is just for convenience. Each participant needs to play 6 games in their group over 6 weeks. Play at any time, the main thing is to finish by July 19th of this year. If you play earlier, that's only welcome. Try to agree with your "groupmates" right away.

4. Don't forget to write reports and confirmations in this thread.
Revan (:smile41:) will rename the previous post to "Group Stage of the "Newbie-2009" Tournament" and will post the results there. If something comes up, either I or Kostya will cover for him.

5. All information will be collected in the first post; there is already a link to the current results.

6. The second stage of the tournament will be held according to the Olympic system. The top two players from each group, who have scored the most points, will advance. In case of a tie in points, the results of the head-to-head matches will be taken into account. If that doesn't help, we will hold additional matches.

7. If any disputed moments arise during the game, don't rush to describe it on the forum, first contact me, KostyaN, or SEM_56. We will take action. Don't forget to make daily saves and reread the rules.

8. That's all for now. If I suddenly remember anything else, I will add it. Good luck!

Added after 10 hours 21 minutes
The first post of the thread has been updated. Reread it. It contains all the information at this time, including some good news: The winner will definitely receive a medal!!! :smile03:

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