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Offline SpiriTT
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They asked for a revote – again, the vote is for Pete's option – number 3.
ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
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SpiriTT
They asked to revote - again for Pete's option - number 3
There was also an option to make a round-robin tournament with 6 people, exactly 5 games, and the one who scores the most points wins.
The advantage is that everyone will play against everyone. There will be no elimination matches until the last round.
The disadvantage is that only 2 people from each group will advance to the next stage.
In general, express your opinion, vote, and revote until Monday.
I will try to talk to Evgeny, and based on everything, together with the judges, we will come up with a draw scheme. Dirty_Player
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We discussed it – Alex_R, Dirty_Player, and I – and ultimately decided on a round-robin tournament among 6 players – the top 2 from each group.
Alex_R
The advantage is that everyone will play against everyone else. There will be no elimination matches until the last round.
- all Castles will be played
- it will be the most objective
- there will be no replays, which are undesirable in the spirit of the tournament
- you can play in any order

Kostya will draw the pairings by colors and rounds.
The deadline for all games is 5 weeks – 1 week per round. Please don't fall behind; being ahead is welcome.
Alex_R
The disadvantage is that only 2 people from each group advance from the first stage.
To make it less disappointing for those who are eliminated, they will traditionally compete for 7th-10th place. Ranking points are awarded for all victories.

The draw for the semi-finals for 7th-10th place:

Mozay vs Avern
geroj vs Ticcer

Maps that have already been played:
SpiriTT - Universalcom, Across the Bay
bRitvo4kA - Universalcom, Boomerang, Natural Enemies2
Alex_R - Across the Bay, Natural Enemies2
Pit for LM - Divided Loyalties, Seven Lakes, The Hive
Javdet - Natural Enemies2, The Hive, Me vs You
Psyche_7 - Divided Loyalties, The Hive

Avern - Boomerang, Divided Loyalties, The Hive
Mozay - Seven Lakes, The Hive
geroj - Universalcom, Divided Loyalties, Me vs You
Ticcer - Universalcom, Natural Enemies2
ewgeniy
...15) Turn time limit 4 minutes...
I will take on the responsibility of being the referee and change this point:
15) Turn time limit 6 minutes.
After all, the finals require time to think through the game.
By agreement, those who wish can play with 4, 2, or 1 minute, or with no time limit.
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I want to say right away – I’m not against it!
It’s just strange – there were 3 options put up for a vote, and then it’s “we discussed it”… and they adopted a 4th option. I repeat, I’m not against it, but I’m not sure I’ll even be able to play – I have problems with my studies, but still, it’s strange…
ну это вообще всем аргамездец!© Kash
без авто:smile20:
Человек - игрушка Бога. Этому - то и надо следовать. Надо жить играя.
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A round-robin tournament between 6 players means that someone will have three red colors and two blue, and someone else will have the opposite. I think that in a clash of the strongest, color plays an important role. Only the organizer can change the rules; is ewgeniy really completely unavailable?
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SpiriTT
but it's still strange...
It's my fault; I'm new to organizing, so I lack experience. And in this case, the organizer (Eugene) didn't clearly outline the plan; at least, I didn't see any specifics :smile21:.
Considering the tight deadline – just a few days – I had to think everything through and come up with solutions. As a result, we added options twice, and I messaged everyone on ICQ to revote. After consulting with the tournament judge and a specialist in draw creation, we arrived at the 4th option... and I was already embarrassed to ask everyone to revote again. Thank you, Pit, for making the decisive decision and posting it. I can only thank everyone who is helping me and apologize again if I caused any confusion.
P.S. As a participant, I also vote for this option and believe that if the voting were to continue, this option would still get the most votes.
I wish everyone good games and a pleasant time!
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The regulations define two options. Based on the actual number of participants, 2 or 3 players from each group advance to the next round. If time is short, the first option is definitely preferable, and I am ready to support it. However, IMHO, we spent more time discussing the regulations than actually playing.
I looked at the regulations again, and it seems that the option of 3 players advancing from each group was intended for the case where three players in one of the groups shared points for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place; this is not the case now. So, let the six players continue playing, and the others will compete for 7th-10th place. Then everything is simple: according to paragraph 5, the quarter-finals (stage 2) are skipped, and they immediately play the semi-finals.
By the way, since the game with geroj was replayed (the first time on Only Strong) on Divided Loyalties, I believe I can play another game on Only Strong; I ask the judge to clarify this point.
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Offline Dirty_Player
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Here is the draw. :)



Round 1: 1 vs 6, 2 vs 5, 3 vs 4
Round 2: 1 vs 2, 5 vs 3, 6 vs 4
Round 3: 3 vs 1, 2 vs 6, 4 vs 5
Round 4: 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3, 6 vs 5
Round 5: 5 vs 1, 4 vs 2, 3 vs 6

In case of a tie in points, the player with the higher Berger coefficient will be ranked higher (a standard coefficient for round-robin systems; if anyone is interested and cannot find an answer to what it is, I can explain it in more detail). Good luck to everyone!

P.S.: Excel shows how the coefficient is calculated.
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Offline Pit for LM
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Thank you, Dirty_Player!
SpiriTT
It's just strange – there were 3 options put to a vote, and then it's "we discussed it"... and decided on a 4th option. I'll repeat myself – I'm not against it, but I'm not sure if I'll even be able to play – I have problems with my studies, but it's still strange...
Like Alex_R, I apologize for the confusion with the voting; we should have thought through all the options at once. We're newbies at this... We'll learn. But revoting for the 3rd time is already a bit of a circus... It's time to start playing. I also have problems with my studies – my final exams are coming up soon. I hope this won't be a hindrance.
Avern
By the way, since the game with geroj was replayed (the first time on Only Strong) on Divided Loyalties, I think I can play on Only Strong again. I ask the judge to clarify this point.
Yes, I looked again, and that's correct. The first game is annulled; you can both play on Only Strong again.
Avern
A round-robin tournament between 6 players means that someone will have three red colors and two blue, and someone else will have the opposite. I think that in a battle of the strongest, color plays a significant role.
These are fixes; there is no clear advantage of the red color on all maps.
Avern
Is ewgeniy completely unavailable?
Evgeniy has serious problems in real life. Things are going very badly and slowly in three of his tournaments. We're already starting to lose good players – they're moving to other platforms... So this is a temporary and forced replacement. I really hope that this off-game discussion will end, and we will finally start playing. Good luck to everyone!
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Thank you to everyone who helped; I’ll be back in action tomorrow – this time for sure.
В. Уэйтс©
Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

временно ушел с форума, переодически заглядываю. кому нужен пишите в скайп ewgeniy1985. в аське 384385000 очень редко.
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It's a pity that access wasn't available during the discussion. The chosen option has a drawback: theoretically, after the 2nd round, a situation could occur where the 1st player plays 5 cards, and the 2nd player plays 5 different cards...
How do you deal with that?
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.
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Javdet
theoretically, after the 2nd round, a situation might occur where player 1 has played 5 cards, and player 2 has played 5 different cards... How to deal with it?
Such a situation can theoretically occur in any of the variants after 2 games.
ewgeniy

11) card selection is also done by marking - from 10 cards, opponents mark them until only one card remains, the right to mark first is given to the blue player. mandatory condition - players must first mark cards that they have already played in this tournament
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to Mozay - write here or in ICQ when you'll be available to play, I'll adjust my plans to fit the time you choose, if needed, my mobile number is: 8-915-225-06-17 (you know my ICQ).
Also, my opinion is: that Spring 2009 hasn't ended yet, but it's already over.
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Is it mandatory to take turns in the game? Can you play 3 or 4 turns at once if there is an opponent?
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bRitvo4kA
Are turns required to be played in order? Can you play 3 or 4 turns at once if there is an opponent?
Pit for LM
You can play in any order.
This is one of the significant advantages of a round-robin system.

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Pit for LM (blue, Necropolis, Galtran, Galtran) def Pysche_7 (red, Castle, Keillan, Keillan), Me vs You, 127.
There was no silver anywhere, so I could only build vampires and ghosts in the Castle on the first turn. At the beginning of the second turn, I accumulated some skeletons and went on the attack through the western border mine of gnomes. After taking it, I had enough gold to bring up the vampires. On turn 126, I positioned myself one day's journey from the opponent's capital, and he attacked on his turn. The heroes were almost equal, but there were noticeably more undead.
Thank you for the game.
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