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Of course, I agree! Thank you, Petr, for the systematization and codification!
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Dubrovin Pavel
Of course, I agree!
Thank you, Petr, for the systematization and codification, you know!
Ah, if all players treated their opponents with as much respect and fairness as Dubrovin, we wouldn't need so many rules... IMHO, of course =/....
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Thank you all for your support; there has been a lot of feedback here, in ICQ, and on the forums. This means that our players are interested in this topic, and we need to continue.

To Nagan-4. Special and huge thanks.

VI. Organization and conduct of Interportal Tournaments (IPT).
Nagan-4
I can help with the development.
To be honest, I was secretly hoping for this, but knowing how busy you are, I was hesitant to ask directly. No one knows the intricacies of this better than you. And I can't imagine another captain for our team.

Regarding the Appeals Committee. I completely agree with
Nagan-4
And here's another reason why such a committee is needed: to interact with the forum administration.
I will add this to the Rules as the first point.
VII. 4. The Appeals Committee is responsible for:
a) interacting with the forum administration;
b) advising users on tournament rules;
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Nagan-4
If a cheater is caught in a tournament, then that's it, they are banned from tournaments and the hero community... I think a simple ban would be a fitting end to a cheater's career on the forum. There's no need to play games with them.
+1. And even +100. This is the opinion of the vast majority of players. But when there was a discussion about this recently, we were told that the forum is not only for games but also for communication. Maybe the cheater wants to communicate? We can't ban them... That's why cases like the one in the Autumn Seasons happened, when a cheater caught in a 4-player tournament cheated with us a month later because the information didn't reach us. And why is the cheater, who was recently banned with so much difficulty and loss, now openly and brazenly claiming that he cloned himself and returned, and there is no reaction? And why were no actions taken against the second cheater caught in the season? And why did they remain in our ranking? What good are ranking points for winning against a cheater to honest players? And what's the point of playing in a tournament if you're sure your opponent is cheating? This isn't a season – I play with whoever I want. And why, even when everything is clear as day, are we told: provide 100% proof, which, apparently, can only be a cheater's sincere confession, then we might wag our finger at them, say "tsk tsk" and deduct 50 penalty points? And I didn't come up with these questions – players are constantly asking them... But they don't get an answer... And here's the result:
Nagan-4
I read our forums, and cheaters openly mock on the forums, not even hiding.
And another result – honest players can't stand such mockery and simply leave...
That's why I suggest other forms of fighting, to somehow protect players from humiliation and bullying.
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Pit for LM

+1. And even +100. This is the opinion of the vast majority of players. But when there was a recent discussion about this, we were told that the forum was created not only for games but also for communication. Maybe the cheater wants to communicate? You can't ban him... That's why cases like the one in the autumn Seasons occur, when a cheater caught in a 4-player tournament cheated with us a month later, because the information didn't reach us. And why is the cheater, who was recently banned with such difficulty and at such a cost, now openly and brazenly stating that he cloned himself and returned, and there is no reaction? And why were no actions taken against the second cheater caught in the season? And why did they remain in our ranking? What good are ranking points for a victory over a cheater to honest players? And what is it like to play in a tournament if you are sure of the opponent's dishonesty? This is no longer a season – I play with whoever I want. And why, even when everything is clear to everyone, are we told: provide 100% proof, which, apparently, can only be a cheater's sincere confession, then we might wag our finger at him, say "tsk-tsk" and award 50 penalty points? And these questions were not invented by me – players ask them all the time... But they don't get an answer... And here is the result:

And another result – honest players cannot stand such mockery and simply leave...
Therefore, I propose other forms of fighting, in order to somehow protect players from humiliation and bullying.
+1. I have the same questions and suggestions ;)
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+1. I have the same questions and suggestions ;)

I absolutely agree with Pete.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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I would like to provide a well-structured and comprehensive response to all the accumulated questions, and more, but I don't have a mouse right now, so I will answer everything in a mixed order:
1) Punishment for organizers
There should definitely be some kind of punishment, but I've noticed that during my time here, only once did newcomers try their hand at organizing online tournaments, and once a 9-year-old boy tried to do it offline. In both cases, nothing good came of it. So, mostly, tournaments are organized by people who have been with us for a while, and the more serious problems are related to lax deadlines (I've certainly excelled at that :smile04:), like 2(!) unfinished tournaments from this year. There's also an older one, but there's definitely nothing to be gained from it anymore. And again, they point to me as an example – I don't publish all the information in the first post, but according to Pyty's rules, there are many points about the first post. :)
I can't suggest anything about punishments because I'm not objective :) but it definitely shouldn't be a ban from organizing tournaments for a certain period – in my opinion, only in the case of an organizer not completing the tournament or cheating.
2) Judge
We have vbn as our judge, and he seems to be doing a good job with this task, so I suggest him as a permanent candidate (I think he is always ready to help me, and I think he wouldn't refuse others either).
3) Composition of the AC (Administration Council)
I agree with the composition, except for my own candidacy :smile04:
TaKo is a wonderful girl, and a pretty good player, but she doesn't appear online very often, although there are other ways to contact her if needed – so I'm all for it (besides, I'm the Administration).
Alex_R – it's been a long time since he should have been assigned to public work – he's a strong player with a developed sense of camaraderie and teamwork, competent and experienced in identifying cheaters :smile08:
Mitsrael – I can't say anything about this player, except that once he completely ignored the first round and didn't participate, after which I didn't include him in the second round, and he gently said "ahem" to me. :)
Pit – If this person wanted to try his hand at organizing, I think he wouldn't miss a single detail. Besides, he's just a good person, always ready to help and be accommodating :) I'm also all for it.
Instead of myself, I would suggest Yegor – I hope he will have time for it. :)
4) Regarding flirting with cheaters and 50 points:
It's a long story, but I'll tell it: user RU is not a clone, but our beautiful-chested Jede, so the administration decided not to ban him.
After the text "I'm back" appeared, he immediately received 50 points and a warning that another 50 would be added if something went wrong. If you ban this user, they can easily create a new one, so banning them by profile is useless, and they are already banned by IP...
5) Regarding the administration
First of all, the Administration is the Creator, Yegor (red nicknames), followed by the coordinators – Luchik, the only one who reviews the entire forum, Hacker, and it seems like VDV (blue nicknames), followed by the moderators – myself, Takotoraya, vbn – moderators of sections and subsections (green and thin green nicknames).
That's the hierarchy. I doubt the Creator reviews section 3, or even visits the forum often? :) Yegor said in ICQ that he no longer hangs out on HW (I don't remember the exact wording). Hacker withdrew after the scandal with Jede and the ban of Loy and Sticky. VDV definitely doesn't visit section 3 – my announcement in his topic hung there for about six months until I contacted Luch. Well, the moderators are "our people," I hope. :) – so draw your own conclusions. ;)
6) Regarding general ratings
This question should be asked to people like Vbn, SS-D, and Sticky – I'm definitely not competent here, but I'm sure of one thing – the rating cannot be general in this case (imho, of course).
7) Regarding the generalization of rules
I think we should create a template with ready-made rules for fixes – so that, for example, I'm not bothered anymore about the rules "not to attack in the first eight days," etc.
Regarding the rules for SOY separately:
I think rules like banning conflict and 200% should be kept – this is a trademark, a label for the tournament, but the other parts of it definitely need to be refined – so that the trademark remains, and it's still possible to play without arguing about the rules.

Well, that's all for now, I might add something later, and Petya – mega-respect to you for such great rules! :)
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Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

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You can play with fixes using different rules, or even without any fixes at all. This depends on the maps and the tournament. Therefore, general rules are, in my opinion, not the solution.
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I support Pit in his endeavor; everything is on point. Small off-topic:
Mitrael - I can't say anything about this player, except that once he completely ignored the first round and missed it, after which I didn't include him in the second round. I was then gently told, "ahem."
It's very pleasant when they misspell your nickname. Even more pleasant when they distort the facts: in that round, Vitaly and I spent a week looking for time to play, but we couldn't find it - then, without my knowledge, he was allowed to play with Rapper... I'm sorry, in this situation, "ahem" is more than a gentle response.
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Regarding the Arbitration Committee (AK). These should be strong, impartial users, possibly even from different resources (for greater objectivity). If we choose from our forum, I would suggest:
vbn, Mizrael, Scorp, Pit for LM, LeBron
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Pit for LM
Development goals of the Rules for online HOMM3 tournaments:
1. Establishing traditions on HeroesWorld;
2. Streamlining the conduct of tournaments;
3. Raising the level of gaming and communication culture;
4. Resolving a number of issues, including:
a) assembling the HeroesWorld team for inter-portal tournaments (IPT),
b) improving the rating system,
c) enforcing game rules, reducing tension in contentious situations,
d) adhering to tournament deadlines,
e) unfair play in any form and disrespectful behavior of players towards each other...
/What other goals and issues do we see?/

I haven’t yet managed to formulate all my suggestions; for now I’m proposing the initial version of the Rules in this unfinished form and call for a positive and constructive discussion, as well as for additions and corrections. My comments are in //

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It’s impossible not to support — it’s all to the point. And it’s hard to add anything.
If only we had a person like Pit in our supreme council :D :D :D
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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I would add Pavel Dubrovin to the list of moderators; for some reason, I personally have a lot of trust in him.
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ewgeniy, vbn, Alex_R, Nagan-4, Pit for LM, Dubrovin Pavel. The other candidates are also interesting. If needed, after brief consultations, I am ready to nominate additional candidates – active and highly competent forum members.

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Then let's figure it out. Right now, from the outside, I see the situation on our website as follows. There is an active core of players, including those who recently joined our forum. Even the old-timers haven't left the forum; I'm convinced that Loy and Invisible haven't forgotten us and will fully return. I saw Decontaminator's post recently; he's still around, buddy. I can name 30-40 active forum players, although there are more because I don't know all the new players. We are all annoyed by two things: some confusion with the tournaments and cheating. We could ignore these problems, but we shouldn't, and here's why. I can name several forums (read: player communities) that ignored their problems, deciding that everything would resolve itself. Everyone had different problems, and these different problems equally destroyed the forums: the result was apathy and indifference, then a wasteland. I especially feel sorry for one of these forums; I used to spend a lot of time on it. Therefore, certain reforms are needed. Here is my opinion, of course, it is debatable, but I will express it. 1. We need a player body (AC), while there are still players. Don't confuse it with the forum moderators and section moderators; they have fundamentally different tasks: the administration monitors order on the forums, and the AC monitors order in the gaming environment, heals problems that moderators cannot heal by definition. 2. This AC must be carefully selected. You can't take someone who is too authoritarian, who might push others on a particular issue, or who will use power not for good, but for ambition. You can't include someone who is too cunning, who will seek benefits for themselves and their friends, their clan, etc. You can't include inert people who are ready to let things drift, to go with the flow. Even if these are the most wonderful people, they may be needed in all other activities of the Heroes community, but not in the AC. 3. Hence, the powers of the AC. - systematization of tournaments. We need a main tournament that would be the forum's signature, winning which would be a great honor, which players and fans would look forward to, and visiting the topic about this tournament would break forum attendance records. Initially, there was such a tournament - a seasonal one, organized by Adelaide. But it was based on fixed maps, while random maps have long since defeated fixed maps in the Heroes community; fixed maps could not withstand the competition, even on our forum. De jure, this tournament is #1 in our hierarchy, but in reality? There were several tournaments by Evgeny that come closest to being called the main ones: a strong lineup, a large number of players, etc. Such tournaments could be made official. Approved in our gaming environment and agreed upon with the administration. Yes, so that on the first page of the HeroesWorld website there would be announcements of this tournament, results of preliminary stages and finals. This is not just one organizer, but an entire gaming community asking for it. And the site will also benefit if such a tournament, with many players, becomes one of the site's hallmarks. - fighting cheating. We somehow shyly avoid this issue, but I think that's a mistake. If cheating simply led to victory in a ranked game or even in a tournament, it might not be worth writing about, but the problem is not even that. It's that it ultimately creates an atmosphere of suspicion and fear. A player plays a game, and for several hours, they are tormented by the question of whether their opponent is cheating (???). And they will blame the loss not on the opponent's more successful plan, but on unfair tactics. And they won't write about it on the forum, but the resentment will remain, and the suspicion. Sooner or later, all this will spill out on the forum at the most unexpected moment. To be honest, cheaters have never lived so comfortably. Previously, in addition to playing online, there were mass tournaments in clubs: Moscow, Minsk, St. Petersburg, Michurinsk with Tambov, Yekaterinburg, Krasnodar, etc. That is, a person had to confirm their gaming skills in front of dozens of attentive spectators, who immediately recognized the real level of the player. Now there is no such thing; yes, it is more convenient to play, sitting in your favorite chair with a cup of coffee, but there is less order. That's why I wrote that the AC should include sincere people who are trusted by the forum, because they need, simply must, be delegated the right to mark cheaters. Obvious and clumsy ones, those who have been caught - ban them. Cunning ones - expose them. It will not be possible to ban them immediately, precisely because they are cunning. But, for example, leaving a note under the cheater's nickname "there are doubts about fair play - AC" is necessary. Of course, after analyzing not one, but several suspicious games. A person who receives such a note will be able to rehabilitate himself, for example, many players, when analyzing their games, do not have questions about their game, will play fairly - it will immediately be visible when analyzing the saves, the percentage of "insights" will sharply decrease to a standard level. If the AC solves these two primary problems, then our community will continue to thrive. The main thing is to choose the right people, and not only should they meet the requirements, but they should also have the desire to make the forum better. Players will have to give the AC more powers, systematization of tournaments, fighting cheating; this may not suit everyone. Therefore, I repeat, you need to choose carefully. How to hold elections. In my opinion, first, you need to determine who can and who wants to be part of the AC. Then - voting, if there are more than 5 of these people. And the voting should not be general, but only for players of HoMM3 online. Otherwise, people who have never played the third Heroes will vote, just for fun, or a person who immediately registers 10 nicknames. Remember how we chose players for the interportal; I would suggest something like that. It is not necessary for a player to write their top five in plain text; they can send them via ICQ. The elected body should be re-elected, say, every six months. Some will not be able to, some will leave for various reasons, etc., but the composition must be active. By the way, the AC will not limit the democracy of our forum in any way; the AC will not be able to shut anyone's mouth; its role is to fight diseases, not people. From what I have read, the following candidates have been proposed: Ta Kotoraya..., vbn, Alex R, Mizrael, Scorp, Pit for LM, LeBron. These are still preliminary proposals; let's not delay. I myself will not be able to be in the AC, thank you, Evgeny and Querty, but I will help such an AC in every possible way. Again, Evgeny himself writes that he will not be able to. And most importantly, it is the person's desire to benefit their forum; there is no reward for this; you will have to take criticism along the way.
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Petr, well done!:smile12:
I'll also name a few people I'd like to see in the Admin Council:

ewgeniy - because he's the most active moderator in our section (sometimes even too much:); IMHO, it's better not to organize 2 or more tournaments simultaneously for one organizer - maybe this should be added to the Rules?:confused: );

vbn - because he's good with complex rankings and listens to the community (it was through him that we managed to push through a change in the Rules regarding unconfirmed games);

Pit for LM - because, firstly, he's the author of the project, secondly, he's one of the strongest players on the resource, and thirdly, he's just a good person:);

Dubrovin Pavel - because he's a three-time winner of the last seasons (and that means something:rolleyes: ) and a person with an impeccable reputation;

I have 2 candidates for the 5th place: LeBron and Takotoraya - the first is a remarkably communicative and non-argumentative person, and also considering his skill and the fact that he's active on 3 major resources - he's already one of us; ;) (the only thing that prevents me from calling him a 100% candidate is his departure from Heroes to play poker:() ; and the second - as already mentioned, if there are any arguments, squabbles, or flame wars, she will say to stop, and they will stop:) , after all, it wouldn't hurt to add a girl to the male Admin Council;).

If I didn't mention someone from the other good people, don't be upset and don't hold a grudge, I just suggested the first people that came to mind:o ...
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Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51: