Heroes of Might and Magic V [Game Discussion] — General

AlexeyPank

8/6/2006 6:25 AM UTC

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It's a disgrace to exploit a well-known brand for selfish purposes. People are drawn in by the "Heroes" brand, but what they get is... well, not "Heroes." It's a decent strategy game with good graphics and user-friendly gameplay, but it's not "Heroes." "Heroes" is, first and foremost, about a unique spirit, not just the external setting. That's why many people still play the second, third, and fourth installments, while the fifth one receives negative reviews.

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Rean

8/6/2006 6:31 AM UTC

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Just because something is bad doesn't mean you have to say the game is complete garbage. Or am I wrong?

For example: if some newbie reads Romash's posts, they might buy Heroes 4 instead of 5, get disappointed in it, and won't buy Heroes 5 because it's supposedly terrible, and they'll just give up on the Heroes series.

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RomaShSh

8/6/2006 7:39 AM UTC

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yes, and it's a very... powerful game... (offtopic) (sorry) no, I played the 5th installment, and it even made me happy at first, but after a week, it started to seem incredibly boring! Added 5 minutes later

VARTI;23603

there are still people who consider the 2nd game to be the best in the series!!! and RomaSHSH is right about his right to express his opinion here! it's true that not everything is "objective" or that some things have been discussed to death! and many people here simply close their eyes to the obvious flaws of the game!!! but still, it's a good game! and if we waited for them to finish everything, time would pass, and the desire to play would disappear after a few years! and releasing it earlier is, of course, only for the sake of money! but you can't judge anyone for that! in our time, even old man Mazai won't save a hare for free! and the fact that the game will really change with some kind of add-on to please even RomaSHSH, I don't really believe! it would be great if you could add your own race to the game and change the characteristics of existing monsters! but that's probably too much! a little off-topic! the naive Nival developers (probably to work less) asked what features we would like to see in the editor, such as company scenarios and building settings, and something else! of course, people said "EVERYTHING"!! it's like asking a poor person what he wants: an apartment, a car, a beautiful wife, or everything at once??? and then let's have everything, and we'll figure out what we need and what we don't!!!)))

Thank you, well done for expressing your opinion! yes... it's a pity that the times when games were made not for money are gone... in principle, a well-made game will definitely bring in a lot of money, even if it wasn't made for money. you're right about the fact that everything has been discussed to death (almost), but you should never close your eyes to the flaws!

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Nowizard

8/6/2006 9:12 AM UTC

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VARTI;23603

There are still people who consider the second game to be the best in the series!

What second part are you talking about! Some still firmly believe in the first part (see the rating)!

And now, about the game: I really liked it! Especially that new feature where there are cutscenes during normal gameplay, as if it were a campaign! Maybe this was already in other games, but were they voiced there?:eek:

The plot, of course, is weak. It feels like it was copied from Warcraft. Even Nicholas himself is very reminiscent of Arthas. IMHO.

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JOKEr

8/6/2006 10:17 AM UTC

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Nowizard;23677

What second part are you talking about! Some people still strongly believe in the first part (look at the rating)!

And now, about the game: I really liked it! Especially that new feature where there are cutscenes during regular gameplay, as if it were a campaign! Maybe this was already done in other games, but were they voiced??:eek:

The plot, of course, was lacking. It feels like it was copied from Warcraft. Even Nicholas himself is very reminiscent of Arthas. IMHO

I haven't even seen this first part or the second one!

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RomaShSh

8/6/2006 10:26 AM UTC

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well, there are some elements borrowed from Warcraft, but it's nowhere near as good as even Heroes 5!

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K1LLER

8/6/2006 10:29 AM UTC

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Well, there are some elements reminiscent of Warcraft, but Warcraft is far superior, even compared to Heroes 5!

You really made a strange comparison:D. Warcraft was released in 2003, and Heroes 5 in 2006. Back then, they didn't even know what DirectX 9 was. (They found out after the release of Underground).

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Braineater

8/6/2006 3:14 PM UTC

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Warcraft has a cartoonish style, and there are some similarities in the game design. But it's impossible to simply compare them and say which one is better, as they belong to different genres.

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JOKEr

8/6/2006 3:33 PM UTC

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Braineater;23756

Warcraft has a cartoonish style, and there are some similarities in game design. But it's impossible to simply compare them and say which is better, as they belong to different genres.

Of course, Warcraft is a strategy game, while Heroes is a turn-based strategy game!
But both Warcraft and Heroes are great games!!!

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RomaShSh;23685

Well, there are some elements from Warcraft, but Warcraft is nowhere near as good as Heroes 5!

RomaShSh,

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Alan

8/6/2006 9:12 PM UTC

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2 RomaShSh
It's been a while since you've been around, so I'll be responding to older messages as well.
1. There was no campaign editor in the third game from the very beginning.
2. In the fourth game, there were initially fewer maps than in the fifth, and they were less balanced. Besides, there was no Multiplayer at all (a ridiculous thing for such a game).
3. You're really getting on my nerves with your complaints about the Academy. I could start yelling about how terrible it was that after the second game, where this race was a mountain-desert race, they stuck it in the snow, ruining the whole atmosphere, units, heroes, Castle, etc.
4. "Why did they need to release the game?" They released it because millions of players will refine the balance much faster than a couple of dozen testers. (Regarding the uselessness of Djinns, go to the section where they discuss the Academy; I've written about their advantages there many times).
5. If you say that the fifth game didn't appeal to you, then that's just your opinion, and you should perceive other people's opinions objectively.
6. The only thing that really disappointed me was the disappearance of the Barbarians. 8((( That's sad.
P.S. And if you're complaining about the unfinished state and lack of balance, how can you play the fourth game????????

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AlexeyPank

8/7/2006 4:04 AM UTC

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The fifth installment disappointed me due to the lack of continuity. From a technical standpoint, it's a very good game. Great graphics, decent balance, and good new features while preserving the gameplay. But there's a constant feeling that something is missing. You're waiting for something special every minute, but it never comes. So, the feeling is mixed. IMHO.

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Kasim

8/7/2006 4:25 AM UTC

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For me, as a player who hasn't played the 3rd and 4th installments much, the fifth game was a revelation. How is it worse than the third one?
If we break it down into points (graphics, gameplay, etc.), it's not worse at all, but much better.
But if you listen to some fans, they would have preferred the 5th game to be a substantial patch for the 3rd.
Then the fans would have been happy, but casual players wouldn't have understood and would have gone to play other games.

AlexeyPank

8/7/2006 4:33 AM UTC

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So, here's what makes the third game better:
1 - Story. It's captivating from the start, has a connection to the previous games, and is original.
2 - Cities. There were more cities, and there were even Barbarian cities!
3 - AI. In the fifth game, the AI is just incredibly dumb (it gets locked in cities, ignores free mines and resources).
4 - Artifacts. There are more artifacts in the third game, and they are tied to this world, rather than being abstract items that appear from nowhere (dwarven artifacts in the fifth game).
5 - Spells. There are FAR more spells in the third game.

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Kasim

8/7/2006 4:44 AM UTC

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Well, there are a lot of them, but the differences between them are negligible. I've seen guides for the 3rd game that describe tactics for navigating the map, but they don't take into account a small nuance - which faction the player is using. And quantity won't beat quality.

AlexeyPank

8/7/2006 4:52 AM UTC

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I think that the quality in the third installment was much higher. The third game was made with passion by people who created this universe and it became their own. As for the fifth game, it seems to me that it was made for money by people who don't really understand the history of the Might & Magic universe.

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