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Offline numOne
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#166
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Gurnisson, with his offensive bonus, is the best Ballistic hero. When you have 1-2 Behemoths, you can really accomplish a lot. But the Swamp creature, Gerwulf, which is sometimes also chosen, is just a joke.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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The question is this: what kind of Stronghold army can already venture into Dragon Utopia if there were no cons, hives, or uber-caches, or only a minimum (up to 2-3 angels, up to 10-12 wyverns). Let the total combat parameters for hero Gurnisson be 15-20 (meaning something like 12-6).
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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Offline Featon
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For example, I don't venture into the Dragon Utopia until I have at least 3-5 Behemoths and 4-6 Angels with stats of 7-4-2-2 using own hero Dess or Shiva. :) (well, that's if it's an XL map). But if it's smaller—then I go almost immediately (132 or 142) to fight my opponents, since the Stronghold is fast in development (only the Necropolis is faster! :) )
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The question is this: what Stronghold army can already venture into Dragon Utopias if there were no cons, hives, or uber-niches, or only a minimum (up to 2-3 angels, up to 10-12 wyverns). Let the combat parameters of hero Gurnisson be 15-20 in total (meaning something like 12-6).
If you upgrade the bears and ogres, then you can boldly go on 131! 5 grey bears will decide it there, and ogres are perfect as meat!
If you have angels or wyverns, and expert shield/leather, then you can even do it in the second week. Much still depends on the pace of the game. There are situations where you can wait until 131 and smash them without losses, and there are times when you must venture in as early as the 2nd week because by 131 you might already be killed
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If you upgrade bears and ogres, you can confidently go for level 131! 5 gray bears will do the trick there, and ogres are perfect as cannon fodder!
If you have angels or dryads, and expert shield/leather upgrades, you can even do it on the second week. A lot also depends on the pace of the game. Sometimes you can wait for level 131 and take it without losses, and sometimes you have to rush it on the second week because you might get killed on level 131.

Yes, the situations are probably different... I understand that bears are the most reliable 7th-level unit on the first week - it's harder not to get them than to get them:D, but it's not a given that they will be in your castle:smile30:, there can be different financial situations, and you might not be able to get a good buy on level 121 if you try to max everything out on the first week. And there are also options with secondary units: if you have one or two bird units or a native secondary unit from the first week, why not go for birds? Or 2-3 orc units, even though they are weak, they are still the only ranged units... The situation with wolves is generally confusing - they can be both a strong stack (if there are enough of them) and cannon fodder, and they are not very durable. Here's another question: when is it better to upgrade which units in the Citadel? Is it worth upgrading birds early? And what about wolves, if they are not the "THE" wolves? Bears, in my opinion, are very difficult to upgrade early: what if there are no crystals or dwarven mines?
Ибу ибуди - хуйдао муди - Шаг за шагом можно достигнуть цели (китайская мудрость)

Кто к нам с пером придёт, тот от пера и погибнет!:smile51:
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Offline Oelm
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As I was recently explained, upgrading birds to level 112 can often be justified, firstly for dealing with difficult archers (snipers, for example), and also for quickly eliminating fast-moving units. Attacking Kent with birds and basic units on grassy terrain makes a big difference. But this is a tactic used when playing as Craig. If the hero is Gurnisson with a ballista, then there is less reason to do so.
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Here is another question: when is it better to upgrade units in the Stronghold? Is an early bird upgrade justified? And what about wolves, if they aren't THE ones? As for bears, IMHO, it's very difficult to upgrade them early: what if there are neither crystals nor dwarf mines?
Well, regarding upgrades — it all depends on the situation and resources. For the Dragon Utopia, you need bears and ogres. Goblins and wolves can be upgraded on the second week. Especially if there are external dwellings of wolves. If a utopia or a battle with an opponent isn't in the plans, then upgrading bears can be postponed, but in any case, it shouldn't be delayed too long. Orcs with two external dwellings, for example, already become a force! With a couple of orc external dwellings, you can already take dwarf mines. Any external dwellings are only a plus!
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If it's a wolf den, you can even use it on the first level. Another plus – the Goblin camp provides a decent boost for beginners.
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I don't build dogs at all, for example. They are very weak:-( I try to: 113 - build a tower 114 - build ogres 115 - build birds 116 - build a stronghold 121 - take all of this and a couple of thugs and go to attack the Dwarves and around turn 125, I build bears (depending on the map) :-) Well, with an army of 3-4 birds and 20 axes. Depending on how much money I have on the first day. :-) And I can easily take the maximum number of Dwarves. If I lose, it's all the thugs and 2 birds. Depending on the morale of the creatures. :-)
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I don't build dogs at all, for example. They are very weak.
Dogs are actually very strong! Often, top players build their strategies around them. In the early game, you get the most powerful unit of level 2, in my opinion.

"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013]
"Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014]
"Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015]
Сам ты фиш (с) :D
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I don't know, for me they all get killed in the first Dragon Utopia :-)
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I don't build dogs at all, for example. They are very weak:-( I try to: 113 - build a Tower, 114 - build Ogres, 115 - build Griffins, 116 - build a Stronghold, 121 - take all of this and a couple of Goblins and go to attack the Dwarves, and around level 125 I build Bears (depending on the map) :-) well, in

In online play, with such a slow pace, even a fairly average player will lose without a chance. (This is about random players at 160%).
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I always play on random maps, 200%. But how do you build things early on? Unless there's some HUGE advantage... :-) like, all resources are at zero? You have to fight for every crystal and gold! :-)
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I don't play 200% games very often anymore, for obvious reasons. But in any case, the Wolves should be strong there. I heard that Bears were used on the first map, but it really depends on the starting location. Again, this is just hearsay.
As for the Tower on the first map, it's not needed for 200% games.
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And why do you dislike 200%? And why shouldn't you build a Tower? Are you not playing as Orcs? Well, having bears on the first level is an exaggeration! Although, it depends on the difficulty level!
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