Controversial issues and their resolutions. — General

Loi

3/4/2009 5:43 AM UTC

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yeah, the decision is to not make any decision...
You should even give the cheater a medal for moral suffering and possible pangs of conscience, and ban those who complain a lot and not in a pleasant way, but still do the work of admins, moderators, and those other coordinators – yes, ban them for their clumsy language and unglamorous speech...

Стратегия - искусство возможного.

Первое правило форума :
"Хвалу и клевету приемли равнодушно
И не оспаривай глупца" (с)

Новичкам: ВНИМАТЕЛЬНО перечитайте ВЕСЬ первый пост по нижеприведенной ссылке и 90% ваших вопросов отпадут( на остальные 10% с удовольствием отвечу):
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Smoke_mk

3/4/2009 6:28 AM UTC

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Dirty_Player

2Djede:
1. Is this your game?
2. If so, where did the resources on the second screenshot come from?

L'dink@ ‎(03.03.2009 22:08):
That never happened.
smoke_mk ‎(03.03.2009 22:08):
What didn't happen?
smoke_mk ‎(03.03.2009 22:08):
The game?
L'dink@ ‎(03.03.2009 22:09):
I had 25,000.
L'dink@ ‎(03.03.2009 22:09):
There was a game.
L'dink@ ‎(03.03.2009 22:09):
I just don't remember who I played with.
smoke_mk ‎(03.03.2009 22:09):
So, what's the point?
L'dink@ ‎(03.03.2009 22:09):
That I didn't have that much.
smoke_mk ‎(03.03.2009 22:10):
But the saves say that you did.
L'dink@ ‎(03.03.2009 22:10):
I don't know how it could have happened, but I didn't have that much.

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Dirty_Player

3/4/2009 6:29 AM UTC

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And who said that cheaters should be banned? It's up to each player to decide whether or not to play with that person in a season. As for cheating in tournaments, they should be excluded from the tournaments and not allowed to participate in future tournaments. What's the point of banning them?

Lu41k

3/4/2009 7:16 AM UTC

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invisible

Katya, it seems like everyone is trying to communicate in a civilized manner here (well, maybe a couple of players got a little carried away). We've all repeatedly told the girl to admit her mistakes and be forgiven. She doesn't understand, and it's the same thing over and over again, like in Santa Barbara.

Seryozh, I've read all the posts and I clearly see who is saying what about this. In general, the discussions are mostly conducted in a correct manner, but some players are simply "stoning" the person. Do you need examples? Here you go:

no, we caught you, you're a shameful cheater.

and who says you're a cheater? you are a cheater, it's clear.

Quote:Rude!

Yes. But that doesn't excuse your cheating.
Quote:Good night to everyone!

good night, cheater

And so on! Or maybe people are just having fun this way now?
I'm not even trying to justify her. If she's guilty, she needs to be able to admit her mistakes.
But why harass her?

2 loi Before accusing someone of cheating, you need to prove their guilt. Did you prove it? Good job! Then the discussion in the thread starts about whether to execute or pardon. In general, these issues should be decided by the organizer of the Heroes 3 online tournaments, the person who oversees the ranked games in this area on HW. He is the judge in this case! And no matter what you all write here, only he can decide whether to allow the player to continue participating (provided that the player admits their guilt and stops using unfair gameplay) or to permanently exclude them from the list of players.
Now about the ban. Let's not forget that our portal is not only a gaming one. If HeroesWorld was dedicated solely to Heroes tournaments, it would be a different story. In this case, the ban implies excluding the player from participating in games and tournaments. Or does it simply mean that the person can no longer be on the forum?
Wait for Djede, the organizer, to make his decision. But there's no need to harass the person! We need to solve the problem in a civilized manner, and if you don't know what to say, it's better to remain silent.
Order on the forum has not been canceled. And insults to users are unacceptable!

"Как это странно всегда..
Вроде бы взрослые люди,
А в голове ерунда..
Мечтаем как дети о чуде.."

Javdet

3/4/2009 7:23 AM UTC

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Well, it's been a heated discussion, with as many posts in the last two days as there were in the whole of February:D. Many people took it very personally, writing all sorts of things like "repent," "self-righteousness," "bullying"... Guys, it's just a game in a virtual world... I feel like I'm back in time, like 500 years ago, being burned at the stake:D. You just need to take it easier; it's just a game, a hobby... If you don't like something, don't play it; we're all adults, but we're making a fuss...:confused:

Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.

Loi

3/4/2009 7:36 AM UTC

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Please refrain from further discussing or arguing about the conflict with Djede.

Understood. You can delete all the posts, but please leave Zybr's key post (it's not spam) – just, please, show some resolve.

Стратегия - искусство возможного.

Первое правило форума :
"Хвалу и клевету приемли равнодушно
И не оспаривай глупца" (с)

Новичкам: ВНИМАТЕЛЬНО перечитайте ВЕСЬ первый пост по нижеприведенной ссылке и 90% ваших вопросов отпадут( на остальные 10% с удовольствием отвечу):
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invisible

3/4/2009 10:52 AM UTC

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Moderated: OFF-TOPIC in the message

vbn: in accordance with paragraph 18 of the HeroesWorld rules.

Please refrain from discussing and arguing about the conflict with Djede.

Why?! Off-topic? Is our discussion contrary to the topic of the thread?! The one who started the flame has already been banned, and the rest are communicating civilly. We are civilly solving a certain problem. And when a flame appears, then delete it as a moderator (although there are people here who can monitor this)

Reason: The organizer is in charge here! It is his decisions that you should wait for! Please stop the flood!

Luchik, but I think it shouldn't be decided only by the organizer! This person is in a certain community, and the community should decide, because if the organizer allows it, but the community does not accept it, then what is the point of such a decision?
I just don't understand: why delete all posts in a row that do not contain flame? Just delete the whole topic then! What's the point of it then? It annoys me. It's easier to delete everything than to figure it out!!! And also ban everyone. And all the moderators will be happy and will only post with themselves. You can ban me for this post as well, I allow it: one more, one less. The best solution to all problems will be, because it is difficult to deal with the problem, right? It is easier to delete everything and entrust everything to one person! But this will not be useful, because the whole community needs to deal with it, of course, but in a cultural way!

Я ламер и играть не умею, нах!:smile33:

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BESHA

3/4/2009 1:06 PM UTC

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Moderated: OFF-TOPIC in the message

P.S. I'll get back to the topic. Loi has already bombarded me with messages. I've almost forgotten what Heroes is. I need to refresh my memory. Regarding this girl, I think you're being too harsh on her. Regarding the Orc save, they're easily defeated, even with two morale bonuses, losing only 5-6 centaurs and 3 butterflies.
It's simply because of the terrain, which is perfect. The butterflies spread out and wait. 7 elves slowly eliminate the centaurs, reducing their numbers to 2-3, and the centaurs, butterflies, and air elementals finish them off. Then, the hive is replaced with gnomes and elves.
44 centaurs, 8 gnomes, 4 air elementals, 3 water elementals, 15 + 1 + 1 butterfly take out 6 wyverns, leaving 20 centaurs. In the end, at the end of the turn, there are 6 wyverns, 7 elves, and 20 centaurs.
I just don't understand one thing: how could they have reached that point? Where Mephala was standing at the end of the turn. Maybe it's a bug with the paths. I don't know.

I don't think there was any cheating here. And if that girl is the one in her avatar, then everything can be forgiven:smile36:. That's how it is. Loi is a real firecracker! Good job for putting in the effort for Heroes, but here, we have to admit that everything is fair.

Peace to everyone!!!!

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Neoandy

3/4/2009 1:57 PM UTC

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Since the link was posted on ICQ and the thread was actually opened, it has been posted on, spammed, bombarded with comments, and deleted so much that even the Portal during Vego's time would be envious :D. Reading the thread, a reasonable solution immediately came to mind, which was actually voiced by the "culprit" herself - yes, play the game from scratch, officially with saves and logs - and everything will fall into place! The lady herself asked for this, by the way, and that says something. The ogres are fighting, the hive is being taken. Of course, there is a problem with resources, but where does it show whose game it is in the screenshot? To drown in speculation when there is a person who is ready to prove their game and dispel the accusations? - it's not reasonable. Therefore, play the game (I'm even ready to do it myself :)), and then draw conclusions. Maybe you'll have to learn something. But if all the accusations are confirmed ..., then :smile10: the measures should be adequate. In my opinion, the main thing is to respect the opponent, and everything else - especially for a beginner - can be forgiven. Regarding the arguments in the posts - I am extremely surprised. If this is a way to avoid damaging the image of a peaceful resource, then it is extremely unsuccessful, in my opinion. You can create a platform like on Bay or Portal and argue there, or only warn for violating the rules of conduct on the forum. P.S.: Or maybe everyone fell for the lady's avatar? ;)

Djede

3/4/2009 2:16 PM UTC

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You've been discussing this topic for two days now; maybe it's better to wait for the game's results... Otherwise, you're just going around in circles and rehashing the same points.

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Smoke_mk

3/4/2009 2:28 PM UTC

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Neoandy

The lady herself asked about this, which says something.
The Ogres are fighting, and the Hive is being taken. There are resource issues, of course, but where does it show whose game it is in the screenshot? To indulge in guesswork when there is a person who is ready to prove their game and refute the accusations? - that's not reasonable.
Therefore, play the game (I'm even ready to do it myself :)

And I'm too lazy to read the posts properly.
Firstly, I was the first to suggest replaying the game, and I received a refusal.
Secondly, she confirmed the game with resource issues, and I posted the logs.

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SEM_56

3/4/2009 2:28 PM UTC

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I'll repeat myself: the game where, on level 115, there were 10 resources each, and on level 117, there were 30 resources each, was with me. Jade and I didn't finish the game, and enough time has passed to open the save files and see what's going on...
I made the saves during my turn, and it's unclear where all the resources (30 each) and 15,000 gold came from on level 117, if no money-generating buildings were taken near the castle and mines. I won't write here anymore; the game with Dima (Smok) will decide everything!!!

Ушел с героев, пока пряники)

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Neoandy

3/4/2009 2:34 PM UTC

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Smoke_mk

It's just too much effort to read the posts properly.
Firstly, I was the first to suggest replaying the game, but I was refused.
Secondly, she confirmed the game with resources, and I posted the logs.

I read everything carefully. :smile38:
Probably it was deleted. :smile16:

Captain

3/4/2009 2:44 PM UTC

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Loi, enough with the pointless chatter – you’ve achieved your goal – you’ve stirred up the Heroes community from its winter slumber :)
Don’t you agree? Isn’t it boring without these squabbles? ;)
You always learn something new from them – or you teach people, for example, to use autosave and not save the game during a match against an opponent :)

P.S. The moderator said he would sort it out… just wait.
P.P.S. And the girl in the avatar is beautiful – that’s why everyone is arguing :)

Дипломатия - искусство говорить собаке "хорошая собачка" до тех пор пока не найдешь подходящую палку.

invisible

3/4/2009 2:56 PM UTC

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You've been discussing this topic for two days now; maybe it's better to wait for the results of the game... Otherwise, you're just going around in circles, and you've worn this topic out.

Alina, what does the next game have to do with it? It's clear that there probably won't be any cheats in it! We're talking about the fact that cheats were used in your PREVIOUS game – that's a FACT! Until you publicly admit it, there won't be any progress. Or do you want an official verdict to be issued and you get banned for life? I repeat, if you admit all this, then everything will be as it was before (if it doesn't happen again), and I will personally defend you against anyone who says anything bad about you after you admit it!

Я ламер и играть не умею, нах!:smile33: