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Offline Eldgernon
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The Necromancer trick, Vitaly told me about it after I sent him the save file.
Vitaly is Perpolken? Great idea!
Oelm

And my question is, how did you deal with the Oasis?
We cast Flight, fly from the Castle to the second, farthest point of the Oasis, get MP, then take one step towards the Thieves, and escape from the battle. We return to the Castle and repeat.
Oelm

P.S. I got to the Inferno city on the island on the first day, through the lower Tower. I think it was Malcolm.
Well, yes. Of course. Why did I think that the portal would definitely be closer?:)
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Come on... There's a deadline until March 16th. I think there's more than enough time!
Maybe. But the desire to play Heroes has temporarily disappeared. And I don't see the point in forcing myself to play.
Перполькен

I took the Necropolis with Pasis and 4 skeletons, cast Flight, took gold and artifacts, tricked the monsters, and attacked the Castle.
Awesome!
So, you used the clone trick? If not, why?
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Preliminary Results
of the 3rd Annual Offline Tournament "Best of the best" (2008)

Dear participants and observers of the tournament!
The 3rd annual offline tournament "Best of the best" (2008) is officially closed!
Out of the 14 submitted saves, 4 were sent in, and these saves were submitted by the last participants to register.
Thank you all for your interest and participation in the tournament!
RankParticipant NicknameUndeadZombiesTotal
1Eldgernon769980574782745
2Perpolken756510573181382
3Oelm727850554278327
4archerpit001480087701025

Congratulations to participant Eldgernon on his well-deserved victory, who, moreover, scored the indicated number of zombies in just 4 days. After the final results are tallied, the Winner will be awarded a medal to be displayed under his avatar:
We would also like to note the results of Perpolken, as well as the debutant in the offline tournament, Oelm, who took 2nd and 3rd places with a small gap from the leader.
Special thanks to player archerpit for participating. Study the playthroughs of the winners and improve your game, we look forward to seeing you in new tournaments on HeroesWorld!
Thank you!
Клан Homo homini

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
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Offline Dirty_Player
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Eldgernon
Vitaly is Perpolken? Great idea!
Vitaly is vbn, and Perpolken is Alexander.
Only Vanechka and I knew about the clone trick for the start of the tournament (he actually came up with it); it's a pity we couldn't demonstrate it in action. ;)
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Offline Eldgernon
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If skeletons really do rise from the clones, then Adrienne would be the best suited for such a trick. She has nowhere to run.
First, thin her out properly so that only the castle towers deal damage, for example. Then give her the second Cloak of the Undead King. Then attack with all the might of the zombies (~70K) and buy them back. I wonder how much that would cost in gold? Would it be possible to repeat such a combination more than once or twice? Then the result would be truly sky-high. Maybe that's what Dirty meant when he talked about the expected 200K?:)

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Tested this trick a bit. The idea is of course great, but it's impossible to loop this into a conveyor belt. Skeletons only rise from one cast of Clone; subsequent casts yield nothing. If you have 1 million free gold, for instance, you can buy back 30K zombies. From their clone, just over 9K skeletons will rise. Converting them into zombies will add 3K to the total result, or possibly more than 4K if you also throw in an elixir. But this only works as a one-time action. Though maybe something else can be thought up.:smile26:
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As sad as it is to admit, it seems I lost the zombies somewhere during the transfer due to a bug, because I cleared the entire map. If I wanted, I could see how to increase the number of zombies by about 500. But the difference in the result suggests that I overlooked something here.

2El-c Vidomina seemed more promising. As an option, give her the Cloak of the Undead King and then restore the zombies with liches. Also, it would be good to teach her clone. :)
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Offline Eldgernon
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I think the entire difference in results lies in the very beginning, and in the first day. After that, everything was cleared out by Necros, and everyone's situation is the same there. But how many troops each person "spoiled" on Liches, how many battles were fought by regular, non-necro heroes — that's where the difference lies. Assuming everyone put their amplifiers on before the very first battle.
And a bug, if there was one, would probably have given a much larger difference. But all our results are tight.
Although 5k might be too much.

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2El-c Vidomina seemed more promising. As an option, give her the Cloak of the Undead King and then revive Zombies with Liches. Also, it would be good to teach her clone. :)
Yes, she's better. But I don't see how to get more than 10K. We don't have that much gold for buybacks. When you mentioned doubling the final result due to this trick, what plan did you have in mind?
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Offline AmberSoler
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I'd like to add my two cents, if you don't mind. 1. Thank you to all the participants (especially those who managed to reach the final save file!). 2. The map is complex in terms of implementation, but it's very rich in ideas – and such tournaments are very useful for developing gaming skills. 3. If the map were ten times smaller, and the time was limited, then it would be a real battle – with at least a couple of dozen players... Especially if the map format allowed you to play it several times to optimize your strategy. And there are just tons of interesting things in the game when playing as Necropolis! You're right about that.
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Offline Eldgernon
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Dirty_Player
Only I and Vanechka knew about the trick with the clone at the beginning of the tournament (he actually came up with it), it's a pity that we didn't manage to demonstrate it in action. ;)
And why, by the way, did Vanya withdraw, do you know? Did he not have enough time? Or did he not manage to get the hang of autobattles?

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3. If the map were ten times smaller, and the time was limited, that would be a real battle.
:smile12:
I can imagine how much more interesting it would be if the time limit, even theoretically, did not allow clearing everything. You would have to choose, and it would turn into a whole carousel of options. A dish for gourmets. :)
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Offline Oelm
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I took 200 Liches, and gave the computer another 200 Magogs. Even if I lost in the first day, it definitely wasn't 2000.

Regarding doubling, I just estimated it; I didn't test it myself and didn't know that it only recovers from one clone. If I have time, I'll write later how much I actually got. It seems like you can get a decent amount of money from crystals.
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Offline Eldgernon
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The amount of money earned from crystals is decent, but it's within the 1 million range I mentioned. Even if you sell all 60, you'll get 1.2 million. If you scrape around, you can get up to 1.5 million. That's enough to buy 45,000 zombies. Cloning them will give you 15,000 skeletons; I don't know about cloning them with liches. But it's likely you could exceed the 100,000 mark.
2. Perpolken. I looked at the graph of zombie counts and immediately noticed that there's a difference of exactly 16. So, you forgot to buy zombies in two of your home castles, right? Or did I buy upgraded ones, and you bought regular ones?
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Offline Dirty_Player
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Eldgernon
By the way, do you know why Vanya quit? Did he not have enough time? Or did he not like the autobattles?
Problems in real life... :(

And the method really does allow you to breed undead in geometric progression!

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Gentlemen, I don't understand you... What millions are you talking about? :eek:
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Offline Eldgernon
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Dirty_Player
Problems in real life... :(
But the method really does allow you to breed undead at an exponential rate!
How exactly? Can you describe the scheme?

2 Oelm: You said you didn't really look for hidden artifacts, etc., in the editor. Maybe you missed a quest that gives you zombies? Maybe that's the reason? How many have you completed?
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2Eldgernon: Респект.
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Offline Eldgernon
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81,382 - 78,327 = 3,055
And you get 3,333 zombies for completing the "Roar of the Titan" quest. Did you do it?
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Eldgernon
How exactly? Can you describe the scheme?
The scheme is simple to the point of absurdity...
Put any Necromancer with Expert Necromancy + Cloak of the Undead King (60%) into a Castle. Attack with 10000 Liches. Clone them and die. The AI raises 12000 Liches. Kill them with 100% Necromancy and get 12000 Zombies. (+20% out of nowhere) And if you make the AI clone them, you'll get 24000! (+140%) That's the whole math. And here you are going on about millions... :D
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