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17 years ago
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StickyFingaz
Well, there are just more players there, the rest are just noobs.
Why don't you suggest that the result of 4 matches will be counted towards the score, and the rest of the games will be for strengthening friendly relations...?
Maybe there are some people who are confident in their abilities? :)
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17 years ago
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Oelm
Why didn't you just say from the start that the principle of fair play wouldn't be followed (in the form of a mini-qualifier, or based on rating, or some other way)? I wouldn't have participated in this.


Pash, don't be offended. :)

The choice that Slava made is indeed the right one. Those three candidates that he selected for the SoDe don't raise any doubts.
Each one is as good as the other.
I agree with Slava, it's a good choice!
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
In reply to Дубровин Павел
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17 years ago
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Pash, no offense intended. Moreover, I'm not saying that I'm definitely stronger than those who are being considered. What's important to me is the organizer's approach. The fact that there will be a "do whatever I want" principle at the beginning was also mentioned. No, I'm not going to take someone else's place in the interportals, because all the players are worthy (and if we're talking about TE, then it's clear that I have nothing to do there). But in general, I think it's extremely important that there are clear selection criteria. In the previous interportal, there was a vote, which somehow helped to decide. There was a selector on the portal, and so on. Therefore, I believe that in any case, the choice should be justified aloud and clearly. Otherwise, what's the point of participating in matches for the Portal in the future? I'm for the idea that everyone should have a chance to represent their resource.
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I generally believe that clear selection criteria are extremely important.
I will select the team members based on points 3 and 4, as well as the skill level of the candidates.
What's not clear about that?
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17 years ago
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Guys, let’s stop arguing – the decision has been made, the pairings are set, and Sticky deserves respect for organizing this tournament, which promises to be interesting. As for the “own” portal, I think everything has become mixed up, and it’s unclear who is more of a portal enthusiast or a World of Xeen enthusiast – let them decide for themselves.
Why don’t you suggest that the result of 4 pairs will be counted towards the final score, and the remaining games will be for strengthening friendly relations? Maybe there are some people who are confident in their abilities?
By the way, that’s a good idea.
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Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

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Why don’t you suggest that the results of 4 matches will count towards the final score, while the remaining games will be for strengthening friendly relations?
Maybe there are some players who are confident in their abilities?
That’s a very sensible idea.
In general, Sticky is great; he doesn’t just talk, but also acts.
Advice: resolve operational issues yourself and only bring up for discussion and comment those issues that, in your opinion, require the opinion of many.
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17 years ago
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The organizer has the right to create any tournament with any rules – that’s what organizers are for. As they say: if you don’t like it, don’t participate. I also disagree with many things; I heard this from Sticky in ICQ:D. Then I gave up on all these arguments and told myself: what difference does it make where to play, what to play on, who to play with, etc.? The main thing is to play! Because no matter what rules are invented by someone, there will always be people who want to play. There are many tournaments now, and there is plenty to choose from.
Я ламер и играть не умею, нах!:smile33:
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17 years ago
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Invisible, I must disagree. For me, what matters is not just the game itself, but also what accompanies it. For example, in a team game, ethical standards are important, based on which the tournament is organized. For example, what happened in the Portal-Bay match seems extremely unacceptable to me, and if I may say so frankly, it was simply shameful for both sides. Yes, I am really sure that everyone should have a chance to join the team, even if some have a smaller chance and others have a larger one. Of course, I don't want to start any arguments, but understand that misunderstandings are also bad. And it is the right of the organizer to determine the rules, but it would be good to announce them in advance.
But as it was written, the team is determined by the level of play. And in reality, the team is determined by the level of play in the opinion of Stikyfingas. Do you feel the difference? We have a common acquaintance, for example, 777. He also has his own personal opinion about the level of play of each of us.
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17 years ago
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I don't recall any instance where a team for any resource was formed based on a sporting principle. The organizer always determined the roster, with adjustments based on public opinion. And that's correct, because there is often not enough time for selection, and if there is, it's a short amount of time, which means the objectivity of the selection results is questionable. And people's opinions about a player's strength are usually more objective because they are based on a long history of games and tournaments. In other words, to be included in teams, you need to consistently demonstrate good results or good gameplay in internal tournaments. This is much more difficult than winning a single qualifying tournament.
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17 years ago
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Starting tomorrow (February 16), the LT League vs Heroesworld match will begin. I hope this meeting takes place in a friendly atmosphere, without disputes, and allows our team to gain invaluable experience from inter-portal encounters, as well as become a very interesting event in the history of our resource. What do we know about the opponent? The captain of the Lithuanians, black_knight, is a very strong player, a WCL champion, and a season winner on heroes.by. He has beaten Stinger himself. That's probably all :) I think this is also where the interest in this duel lies — playing against an opponent new to them, under new rules.

At Pit's request, I changed the pairs for the match; Black didn't mind. Each pair will play 2 matches — one according to our rules and on a template preferred by the Worlder, and the second match — vice versa. Colors in the game are distributed as follows: the one playing by their own rules is blue, the one playing by others' is red.

LeBron vs black_knight (TE). 8mm6/8mm6
Pit for LM vs XSI (TE) 2sm4d/Panic
Mizrael vs Vortex (SoD) 2sm4d/Jebus
Jadvet vs Suris (TE) Jebus/Balance

Template sizes:
2sm4d - L+U
8mm6 - XL+U
Panic - L
Jebus - XL
Balance - L

Heroesworld Rules:
Scribble, restarts, rules regarding shifted guards for red-rush etc., as well as the rules for SoD are taken from the topic Rules for HoMM3 online games and rating calculation formulas. The rules for TE are in the appendices. Exactly like the Panic and Balance templates.
TE:
Choice of color and castles
Participants choose castles by the method of elimination; that is, players take turns crossing out castles they do not want to play until 3 castles remain. The player who started scribbling first chooses a castle from the remaining three, the second player — from the remaining two and the color they wish to play.
Example:
invisible - Conflux
vbn - Necropolis
invisible - Fortress
vbn - Stronghold
invisible - Rampart
vbn - Castle
invisible chooses Inferno, Dungeon, or Tower from the remaining — same as Inferno, and vbn — Dungeon and red color.

Restarts
Each player has the right to take a restart twice: on the first day of the game and within three days, meaning starting a new game with map regeneration.
Mandatory restarts:
– if the starting hero is above level 1;
– if a player starts with more than one castle;
– if a fort is not built in the starting castle;
– restart upon meeting by day 6 inclusive; that is, if players enter direct contact with each other using any of their heroes within the first six game days (simply put, any battle occurs between them), then one of them has the right to demand a restart. If both players agree to continue, it is their right.
So-called "red-rush" is forbidden; that is, a player playing red does not have the right to attack blue on the first day of the week with troops purchased on that day. However, troops arriving with a hero purchased on that day may be used.
Hit-and-run is forbidden: an attacking hero has no right to retreat in the first round of battle if they applied combat magic or any other spell that somehow dealt any damage to the opponent. This prohibition does not apply to the defending hero.
"Angel Wings" are allowed to be used without any restrictions, provided this does not contradict clause 5.13.
It is forbidden to enter neighboring territories without breaking through the guard standing in the passage (i.e., if it is shifted). If two or three guards are scattered along the road — any one of them may be chosen to be broken through.
In the absence of a passage guard, including a shifted one, moving freely from respawn to respawn is allowed.
It is forbidden to take Pandoras, scrolls, artifacts, or visit various objects from under a shifted guard without killing the guard. It is not allowed to visit objects, take Pandoras, scrolls, or artifacts using "Fly", "Dimension Door", or Angel Wings without breaking through the corresponding guard. Chests, campfires, and resources may be taken both with the aforementioned spells and wings, as well as from under a shifted guard.
The Grail can be dug up after 5 weeks of play.
It is allowed to buy and use any monsters in "mercenary camps".
If a "stalemate" situation occurs in battle, the attacking player must retreat. For example: during the battle, the attacker has 100 dwarves left, and the defending hero has 1 fly. And the 100 dwarves cannot catch the fly. In this case, the attacker with 100 dwarves must retreat (or pay off). If someone is wearing "Shackles of War", it is necessary to load the last save, repeat all moves exactly as they were made before this battle, and dismiss the troops that were killed during this battle. Then the player(s) who wore the shackles must remove them, the attacker must attack and flee/pay off.
If a disconnect occurs during the game, the player whose turn it was finishes their move and saves the game. Then they load from this save and continue. Alternatively, they load the autosave of the player who was inactive at that moment. If the connection is interrupted during a battle, after loading, all battle moves are repeated as closely as possible to those before the disconnect.
LT League Rules:
SoD:
It is not allowed to pass to other respawns past a shifted guard or take various objects from under a shifted guard. Resource piles near their resource mine may be taken if the mine is guarded, without breaking through the mine guard. If there are several guards between zones — it is sufficient to break through only one of them. If one of the players has already broken through one of the zone guards and the second player saw this, the second player may not break through another and go to another zone. Otherwise, the second player must break through one of the guards of that zone.
Dimension Door, Fly, and Angel Wings cannot be used, but Town Portal can be used.
Level 4-5 scrolls cannot be used.
Necropolis and Conflux cannot be taken as starting cities, but they can be built up if captured.
Diplomacy cannot be taken on level-ups.
Monsters cannot be recruited.
Logistics specialists and Müllich cannot be taken as starters and cannot be leveled above 5.
The Grail cannot be dug up
The Cartographer cannot be visited, and units cannot be upgraded at Hill Fort.
Wyverns and angels from hives and cans cannot be upgraded.
Only one level 7 dwelling of a single city type per game may be taken.
Double-build is forbidden. Dwellings of levels 3-7 cannot be built in the native secondary town. If there is a Dungeon and 2 Strongholds, you can build up the Dungeon and 1 Stronghold.
Red-rush is forbidden. On the first day, red may attack only if the new week's army has not been purchased.
Hit-and-run is forbidden. Both players must have a chance to cast magic (literally).
It is allowed to hit a upgraded stack at a non-upgraded unit with an upgraded stack and retreat. The effect is well known.
If the battle leads to a draw (dragonfly and 100 undead), the attacking player must retreat.
Choice of cities — blue player chooses first, red second. Identical cities are possible.
Restarts — a player may take one restart on the first day without reason and until the third day if the castle is blocked by the following number of animals:
Level 1 Archers >100
Level 1 Neutrals > 200, but centaurs >70, Pikes >100, *upgraded Pixies >100
Level 2 Archers >50
Level 2 Neutrals >100, but witch harpies >50, Air Elementals >30, Storm Elementals >25, upgraded Wolves >40
Level 3 Archers >30, but upgraded Elves and Ice Elementals >20
Level 3 Neutrals >40, but golems >40, three-headed Cerberi >25
Level 4 Archers >15
Level 4 Neutrals >25, but Vampire Lords >15
Level 5 Archers >10,
Level 5 Neutrals upgraded >10
Level 5 Neutrals non-upgraded >15
Level 6 and 7 Neutrals
Snipers >8, Nomads >30

Players must take a rest if starting heroes are not level one and with slow roads.

Map is created with following settings:
2 players, 0 computers, all teams = 0, water = none; monster = strong; time limit = 6 min; difficulty = 130%

The spell Stealth can be used.
The town view bug can be used.

These rules can be changed if both players agree.

TE:
It is not allowed to pass to other respawns past a shifted guard or take various objects from under a shifted guard. Resource piles near their resource mine may be taken if the mine is guarded, without breaking through the mine guard. If there are several guards between zones — it is sufficient to break through only one of them. If one of the players has already broken through one of the zone guards and the second player saw this, the second player may not break through another and go to another zone. Otherwise, the second player must break through one of the guards of that zone.
Red-rush is forbidden. On the first day, red may attack only if the new week's army has not been purchased.
The Grail cannot be dug up
Wyverns and angels from hives and cans cannot be upgraded.
Only one level 6/7 dwelling of a single city type per game may be taken.
Double-build is forbidden. Dwellings of levels 3-7 cannot be built in the native secondary town. If there is a Dungeon and 2 Strongholds, you can build up the Dungeon and 1 Stronghold.
Peasant external dwellings cannot be used.
Hit-and-run is forbidden. Both players must have a chance to cast magic (literally).
Choice of cities — blue player chooses first, red second. Identical cities are possible.
Restarts — a player may take one restart on the first day without reason and until the third day if the castle is blocked by the following number of animals:
Level 1 Archers >100
Level 1 Neutrals > 200, but centaurs >70, Pikes >100, *upgraded Pixies >100
Level 2 Archers >50
Level 2 Neutrals >100, but witch harpies >50, Air Elementals >30, Storm Elementals >25, upgraded Wolves >40
Level 3 Archers >30, but upgraded Elves and Ice Elementals >20
Level 3 Neutrals >40, but golems >40, three-headed Cerberi >25
Level 4 Archers >15
Level 4 Neutrals >25, but Vampire Lords >15
Level 5 Archers >10,
Level 5 Neutrals upgraded >10
Level 5 Neutrals non-upgraded >15
Level 6 and 7 Neutrals
Snipers >8, Nomads >30

Players must take a rest if starting heroes are not level one, if there are no roads, and if there is no road to the second city or if it is blocked on Balance.

Map is created with following settings:
2 players, 0 computers, all teams =0, water = none; monster = strong; time limit = 6 min; difficulty = 130%

These rules can be changed if both players agree.

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What is still unclear:
Opponents' ASI numbers, as not all of their players have ASIs yet. So there are a couple of days to prepare for the matches.
Rules may be clarified during today and tomorrow.

In general, let's discuss rules, templates, my omissions (maybe I forgot something), etc.
In reply to StickyFingaz
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May luck be with you, Knights of Volda! :smile49:
С истиной где-то рядом...





Лето 2010.
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I didn't understand the interpretation of "restarts." Is it 111 + 113 + the described block? Regarding level 6-7 dwellings, can you take 1 dwelling from each castle? Or only 1 dwelling in total? Can you take 6+7 from one castle? Regarding "hit-and-run," does it mean that if the opponent's turn passes even once, you can retreat without waiting for the 2nd round? Regarding "double build" - what if an already built castle belonging to your faction is captured? And if your main castle is taken, you build a secondary castle, and then reclaim your main castle?
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I didn't understand the interpretation of "restarts." Is it 111 + 113 + the described block?
If there is a block of 111, then it's a restart to 113.
Regarding levels 6-7 dwellings, can you take 1 dwelling of each type from each Castle? Or only 1 dwelling in total? Can you take 6+7 from one Castle?
Yes, you can. For example, you can take 1 dwelling of Griffins and 1 dwelling of Hydras.
Regarding "hit-and-run," does it mean that if the opponent's turn is skipped even once, you can retreat without waiting for the 2nd round?
Yes.
Regarding "double build" - what if a native faction's already built Castle has been captured?
You can buy an army from all built buildings, but you cannot build further.
What if your native Castle is taken, you build a secondary Castle, and then reclaim your native Castle?
You can only build one of these Castles.
invisible (22:05:58 15/02/2009)
Can I build a Castle in it to multiply Wolves?
In a captured secondary Castle, you can build a Citadel/Castle, but you cannot build dwellings of levels 3-7.

PLEASE ask more questions, look for any possible loopholes or ambiguities in the interpretations, so that there are no unnecessary disputes and questions later.
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17 years ago
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What is still unclear:
The MSN nicknames of the opponents, as not all of their players have MSN yet. So there are a couple of days to prepare for the matches.
But for sure, everyone has MSN! It's a very convenient tool, by the way. Almost all of our players use it, and it's a good way to find foreign players for a game. So, our players just need to get an MSN account on http://ru.msn.com/
and install MSN on their computer. Or, for those who don't want to or are just too lazy, there's a good website http://www.meebo.com/
So, it's not really a problem. And email and chat in Hamachi are still available, of course.

Sorry for interrupting. Good luck to our Heroes! And in general, well done for organizing such a tournament! Respect to the organizer!
Sincerely!


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Вроде бы взрослые люди,
А в голове ерунда..
Мечтаем как дети о чуде.."

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