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Offline Alex_R
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Dubrovin Pavel
Without specifically discussing Oleg-Aldegir, it just doesn't make sense that a player who won 7 games and lost 2 ends up ranked higher than Britvochka (Andrey), who has approximately 8 losses and around 30 wins... :smile11:

I think this system is just a little inadequate with a small sample size; as the number of games increases, everything will stabilize.
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Slav, can't you adjust some kind of coefficient? :)

No, of course, nothing should be "adjusted"... it just needs time. In general, it would be more logical to calculate the rating at the end of the period/season.
But considering that everyone is very interested in watching the rating change, we have what we have, and we should be happy about it :).
I understand that the rating will not be reset, and over time it will become more objective... let's say, each player should play at least 20 games, and preferably 50, and then everything will be fine!
P.S. It's a pity that not everyone can play that much; I think that if I've played less than 50 games in all this time, when will I reach the optimal sample size? :smile32:
P.S. P.S. Or maybe it's still necessary to use a program or another calculation mechanism, as it would be more objective to retroactively credit the games played in previous seasons, since they weren't that long (only 1 year).
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Offline Wicc
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Maybe we should create an annual rating? Or use a time-based coefficient.
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I understand that the rating won't be reset and will become more objective over time.
exactly
Maybe it's still necessary to use a program or another calculation mechanism, as it would be more objective to retroactively credit games played in previous seasons.
This rating needs to be calculated sequentially because player ratings are constantly changing, which means the number of points awarded for a win/loss also changes. I don't know how to create such a program.
Fortunately, they don't last very long (only 1 year).
We should have introduced this rating six months ago, when I first suggested it...
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The old rating is also calculated by the program sequentially; take a look at the formulas – the number of points awarded depends on the current rating. There is nothing stopping you from simply taking all the database files from each season and merging them to create a single overall rating table. It would take about 5 minutes. And the rating calculated using the formula you proposed is just a few lines of code, and that's it. Want me to do it? I can. You can calculate the ratings. Writing the program will take a couple of minutes, but filling the database... :eek:
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Want me to? I'll do it.
Well, if it helps me, please do it.
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Dubrovin Pavel
So, analyzing the results of the Alternative Ranking, I can say: Leader-Aldegir has 9 games, 2 losses, and 7 wins...

Without discussing Oleg-Aldegir specifically, it just doesn't quite fit in my head that a player who won 7 games and lost 2 is ranked higher than Britvochka (Andrey) with approximately 8 losses and about 30 wins...:smile11:

Slav, couldn't you adjust some coefficient? :)

The ratio between 1st and 2nd place is approximately this in terms of games:
wins-losses
Aldegir 7-2
Britvochka 32-8

In my opinion, you simply need to adjust the coefficient depending on the number of games played, to reward effort in the game. The more games, the higher the coefficient (excluding games with one opponent). Although a regular sparring partner, even a higher-ranked one, may be at a similar level, but because the player has played many games with him, each will receive far fewer points than if they both played against a less experienced newcomer.:smile32:

Slav, don't be offended, I fully support your idea, I just want to optimize it (if possible).
Respect to a fellow countryman from our hometown (we are both from Starooskol, in the Belgorod region)!:smile25:

in general, it seems like there are 7 games, or even more, before the CC-d ranking is finalized, that is, 14-2... although it's a bit strange for me to be in first place in the ranking... usually, I can't play much due to family problems... but I played a little on the weekend... and the ranking changed... if, of course, there was time and I continued to play, then it would grow, and I think the others, due to the lack of opportunity or desire to play a lot and often, will not be able to earn a real, objective ranking - an indicator of their playing strength... although Heroes is such a thing that any player from the top can lose to any player from the lower ranks... it depends on the mood, the atmosphere during the game, and, of course, the situation... And seeing myself in first place (for now) is good, but it doesn't bring the desired pleasure... I know that I can count on, say, being in the top 10... And Pasha or Andrey (Britvochka) deserve a higher position... but the numbers are the numbers... they are often not objective... so, sorry to everyone for taking a place that I don't deserve... I think you will move me down a bit with your perseverance and continued play :) and I will deal with my family, life, and myself... but I love the game Heroes... and I don't mind racking my brain over some task... so, respect to everyone who continues to maintain interest in Heroes, holding tournaments, compiling rankings, and just playing...
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The rating update is delayed until the time changes on HeroesWorld...
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Offline Oelm
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Are the AR data copied from the SSD table?
If not, then it would be possible to create information on wins and losses, as there are some doubts.
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Is the data for the AR copied from the SSD table?
No.
If not, can you provide information on wins and losses, as there are some doubts?
I will take care of this soon.

P.S. When will they switch to a new time zone?
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P.S. When will the time be updated?
What is the connection between time and the player rating?
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I had an idea... As a kind of reward, we could introduce something like a yellow jersey, similar to what they use in biathlon. In our case, the player who holds the top spot at the start of a new season would get this yellow jersey (or something else) displayed under their avatar and would "wear" it until the next season. Then, it would be passed on to the next leader. Basically, it would be a rotating award. For now, I've made Dubrovin Pasha's nickname yellow in the ranking (he's the leader after winter), and it will stay that way until summer, regardless of his position in the table. The problem is that this alternative ranking is already somewhat secondary, and highlighting it with something under the avatar might be inappropriate. Another option would be to organize a small competition among the top-ranked players after each season, with 4 or 8 participants in a cup-style format.

But all of this will be without me. I'm finishing playing Heroes and will stop maintaining the ranking after the end of the "Meportal" event. So, if anyone wants to continue, I'd be happy to pass on the baton, because I think this ranking is genuinely more objective and should continue to exist.
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Offline Alex_R
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But all of this will be without me; I'm finishing playing Heroes and will stop maintaining the ranking after the end of the portal... because this ranking, in my opinion, is really more objective and should continue to exist.
It's a pity... the ranking is really very interesting.
And if more information were added to the table, for example, the number of games played... and with which opponents... it would be even better!
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But all of this will be without me; I'm finishing playing Heroes and will stop maintaining the ranking after the end... So, if anyone wants to continue, I'll gladly pass on the baton, because this ranking, in my opinion, is really more objective and should continue to exist.
As I said before, I'm ready to refine the program that will calculate the ranking automatically (StickyFingaz declined at the time), and will generate the final table in the same way as it is currently done for the ranking based on the system of the respected SS-D.
And if anyone also has a strong desire to regularly (well, at least once every 2-3 weeks) enter all the published reports and update the table on the portal, that would be great; then I will gladly send the calculation program.
But the most important thing I would like to address, taking into account the fact that the new season of online games has just begun, is: Should we switch from the SS-D ranking (which is, in a way, official, as the winner is awarded a medal based on its results) to the StickyFingaz ranking (making it the official one) or something similar (or maybe something new)? I'm not saying this for no reason, but because recently I've heard quite a few well-reasoned explanations and wishes to switch to a more objective ranking system. What do you think? Does it make sense to switch to a new official ranking system starting with the Spring Season, and if so, which one? Is a poll needed for this (SS-D ranking, StickyFingaz ranking, or your own option), and if so, please create it. If the issue needs to be resolved, it can be resolved quickly, and the new system can be quickly formalized...
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Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
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Offline LeBron
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that’s exactly how it should be done :) in my opinion, the old rating system is outdated – it was adopted during the early stages of the website as a resource for online gaming. Back then, it was relevant because the skill level was determined more by experience, i.e., the number of games played. Now, the situation has changed completely – the skill level on the website has increased by several ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE. Therefore, determining the best player based on the number of games played is no longer accurate. Hence, the situation needs to be changed, and the Stiky rating has proven itself to be 100% effective and, in my opinion, is the best rating system among all the portals.
I suggest conducting a direct vote on this matter.

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I believe that Stiky's ranking is very objective, but as a permanent ranking, it cannot compete with a seasonal one!
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