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Lord Vampire

17 years ago

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I'm going to complain! What kind of playoff system is this? It's too harsh on whoever ends up in 8th place! Of course, their leader will win without any difficulty.

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Wistrit

17 years ago

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I'm going to complain! What kind of playoff system is this? It's too harsh on whoever ends up in 8th place! Of course, their leader will win easily.

Grrr... you're being grumpy :)
First of all: that's not a given, because "leader" doesn't necessarily mean the best player.
Secondly: so what do you suggest? Let their leader win one round later? :rolleyes:

Lord Vampire

17 years ago

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Is it possible that the best player isn't actually the one with the most points? Did they just accumulate points through sheer luck?:) There are special programs for creating playoff brackets. Ask people who have organized tournaments and how they did it. Whatever the case, the system is too primitive and simple. I'm not saying it has to be super complicated. But at least make it somewhat random. I don't know. Take 8 pieces of paper, write the names on them, and draw two at a time – those will be the pairs. That would be more interesting. And what is this? Who's shooting at a fly with a bazooka?:)

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Wistrit

17 years ago

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Okay, let’s logically give the medal to Zilo and be happy, shall we? Great! ;)

Vsev

Game order:
Quarterfinals
1. Winner of group A (1A) plays against 4th place in group B (4B)
2. 2A-3B
3. 2B-3A
4. 1B-4A

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Write down the names and take them in pairs of two, and that will be the pairings. That way it will be more interesting. And what is this? Who is shooting at the fly with a bazooka?

The system is not as simple as it seems.
Okay, let's imagine a situation. First plays against second, third against fourth, and so on.
Then again, first plays against second, third against fourth.
And the final turns out to be an insane super-grandmaster against, at most, fifth place? Wow, what a balance.

Is it a fact that the best player?))) or did he just score the most points through sheer stupidity?

Hmm...

And in RTA, nothing depends on skill; it's all pure luck (which hero you get, whether you're lucky with hero upgrades, whether you're lucky with the race).

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Everyone is saying that RTA is unbalanced and all about luck. Has something happened?

In principle, I can write down the names of each player on pieces of paper, and then make paper airplanes and build pairs based on the order in which they are picked. However, the "interestingness" (hehe...) of this method is not very clear to me. :smile36:

I wrote the names on pieces of paper. I made paper airplanes and launched them.
1 - 3
2 - 7
4 - 5
6 - 8
Is it better now?
I launched them again:
1 - 6
2 - 3
4 - 8
5 - 7

alex_nv

17 years ago

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Suggestion:
1) In the first stage, if a mirror map appears, it should trigger a restart, rather than playing a second random map. In other words, mirror maps are prohibited in the first stage!
2) Why not hold the final round to five wins? It would be more logical, and then it would be possible to combine the 1st stage and the 2nd stage, and the 1-2-...-2-1 scheme? What do you think, organizer?

Lord Vampire

17 years ago

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And what’s wrong with that?:) Regarding the mentioned scheme, there were 2 groups. We have one. 4th place in the second group isn’t that bad. It’s better than 8th place in our combined group. If you don’t like how I said it, I suggest at least this: 1-5, 2-6, 3-7, 4-8. At least the difference is 4 places, not 8. And regarding the imbalance in duels, yes, it exists, but if you don’t have the brains, you won’t reach the top just by luck.

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Wistrit

17 years ago

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Next time, I’ll just write a bunch of nonsense in the rules and let you sort it out. :)
So:

1) In the first stage, if a mirror match occurs, you need to restart, not play a second random game. That is, mirror matches are prohibited in the first stage!

Mirror matches are played if the players want, but only if both agree.

Why not hold the final to five wins? It would be more logical, and then you could combine the 1st stage and the 2nd stage, and the 1-2-...-2-1 scheme?

Hmm... in the final, it is generally unknown how many games will be played. We can, of course, add another first draft, but there were already enough of them in the other stages... although we can assign it to the first two. Let's think about it. :)
But there should still be 4 games.

4th place in the second group isn't such a loser

We don't have any losers. :)

1-5 2-6 3-7 4-8

Indeed, it will be better.

No brains, you can't reach the top just on luck

I made it to the playoffs, I think :smile36:

Lord Vampire

17 years ago

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I wasn't talking about you specifically; I was speaking in general terms. If someone lacks intelligence, they won't become a leader, no matter how lucky they are. Regarding the games in the final. Calm down. It's still a long way off. Question about drafting in the first stage. When do we start drafting two factions? Can we draft one from each list, or only two from each side? P.S. Only "Luchik" can call me "Lord," if you call me that again, I'll come up with something terrible for your nickname. And yes, I am a genius. In some areas.

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Wistrit

17 years ago

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I wasn't talking about you specifically, I was speaking in general. If someone lacks intelligence, they won't become a leader, no matter how lucky they are.

Well, despite lacking intelligence, I still managed to succeed. :)
But in any case, the system has been changed:smile14:

When do we start picking two races? Can we pick one from each list, or only two from each side?

You can pick one from each list.:cool:
P.S.

P.S. Only Luzhik can call me Lordi, if you do it again, I'll come up with something terrible to call you.

Great. :)
So, next time, think twice before calling a bunch of people brainless losers.

Lord Vampire

17 years ago

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So what if I gave it a name? There are people who truly deserve such a title. And I'm not denying that I don't know how to play these duels and haven't practiced with anyone. So what? Call me whatever you want. Just not Lordi. And don't portray me as some kind of bad guy again. We all have brains. They just work differently. P.S. Complete randomness in the final is a bad idea.

Leolopus

17 years ago

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Esteemed colleagues, as the moderator of this section, I urge everyone to express their opinions on the topic at hand in their posts. Please discuss all other matters in private messages, ICQ, or other means. Otherwise, I will have to delete some posts. With respect, Leo.
P.S. If anyone has any questions about the map editor, please contact me via ICQ, and I will explain and demonstrate it practically.

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Vsev

17 years ago

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Personally, I don't like the system in the second stage – there's no incentive to strive for first place then (at least the opponent is "somewhat weaker" if you're playing against the 8th). :(

Lord Vampire

17 years ago

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Personally, I don't like the second stage system – there's no incentive to strive for first place then (at least the opponent is "somewhat weaker" if you're playing against the 8th).

Have you considered how difficult it is for the poor opponent?)))

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Wistrit

17 years ago

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Personally, I don't like the second stage system – there's no incentive to strive for first place then (at least the opponent is "somewhat weaker" if you're playing against the 8th).

Well, first place is first place, and that implies some difficulties ;)
If 1 plays against 5, it's already "somewhat easier." A difference of 4 places is quite a lot.

But with this system, everyone has a chance. With 1 vs. 8, 2 vs. 7... there's still a chance, of course, but there are "more of them" ;)

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Vsev

17 years ago

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What’s the point of first place then? People will aim for 2nd or 4th place.

Not only do you immediately end up in 5th place, but in the next round, you’ll most likely be playing against someone in 3rd place. Somehow, 8th and 2nd place seem like better opponents.

P.S. I just don’t understand:smile30:

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