Posts from Dialogues with moderators 2.

In general, one should know when to stop and be responsible for their words. These actions were discussed many times, believe me, no one would have deleted anything without a reason...

But that's really a minor issue. The problem is that relying solely on moral standards isn't entirely correct, as everyone is different.

The rules were discussed back in the summer, but it didn't help at all...

In the movie "The Dog's Heart," there was a very insightful phrase that also applies to this situation. The doctor says it to his assistant.
The phrase is: "If I stay at home and do nothing, then I will definitely end up in a state of ruin."
And it applies to our forum: "If you don't consider it that way, then it will never be that way."

I would rather interpret it in a more direct context... well, never mind.
In any case, don't get me wrong, I initially have a very positive attitude towards Heroes of Might and Magic, but it's hard to call what we have now a success story.

Unfortunately, our rules are not perfect, but that doesn't mean we should take advantage of it...

Well, again, people are different... and the line itself is thin... and it's important to make it clear

Personally, I've always been in favor of clear rules: It should be clearly stated what is allowed and what is not, and what actions will be taken in case of violations.
But the rules should also be flexible enough to allow for discussion of any topic, but within certain limits. These limits are public morality. Everyone knows it.
Let me give an example from the topic of Morality. That's the topic that started the conflict.

I'm just wondering... why is it considered low and immoral?

He knew perfectly well that the topic violated moral and ethical norms. He wanted to discuss it, and I agree that it can be discussed, but without losing face. But what happened in the topic? Most of the users started making vulgar jokes, and that's exactly why it was closed. And it's not about the title or the topic of discussion, but about the level at which the discussion is conducted.

I still don't get it...
If HeroesWorld is a separate corner, then why is every detail someone trying to copy from others? That's a contradiction.
On the League, where, by the way, the most heroic hero of all heroes is in some table, discussions are conducted in a different manner. There, tournaments are actually played; the kind of nonsense that's being spread around here doesn't exist there — I mean this deletion of topics and all that.
On the Portal?.. if you even take a quick glance at everything outside the "wardrobe" section... heh...

As it has already become clear, either write to the Creator or get a tasty banhammer on the head.
Nya?

I'm tired of watching all this; it's time for me to say something:o

Yes... Although, what is there to say? It's all clear – the forum is experiencing a severe crisis... And you, comrade Hacker, say that banning 2-3 people is not much? Hmm... really? You'd have to look hard to find such dedicated fans of Heroes... unlike those 14,000 usernames that registered just for the sake of it and have long forgotten about this portal... What can I say, many of the old-timers have almost left, and the fact that everyone intuitively expects (the release of the sixth installment) is unlikely to happen...
I'm very sad to see all this... and this "Everything about everything" section is the last refuge where you can just chat... Really, not discuss "toilet seats in the shape of necromancers"! (What a cool thing, by the way! :D) On the other hand, of course, I understand your desire, Hacker, to improve the forum :smile50: (by the way, the smiley is quite appropriate)... maybe some topics were a bit silly, but still, is it worth treating the respected people on this forum like that – by banning them... :smile10: Personally, I see an egoistic motive in your actions; you, esteemed owner of the light blue nickname, do not take into account the opinions of other forum members, and now the off-topic section looks more like a maximum-security prison... I ask you to be more lenient towards the simple communication of forum members...

P.S. I wrote this slowly because I was playing Heroes III online at the same time...

perhaps some of the topics were indeed a bit silly

The issue isn't with the topics themselves, but with the manner in which they are discussed, as I've already said.
If necessary, I'll repeat that the topics that sparked the dispute violated moral and ethical standards. And it's not my fault that some users don't understand this.

You, comrade Hacker, say that banning 2-3 people is a small number?

The bans are not permanent but temporary, depending on the severity of the violation.
Of course, I don't want to reprimand anyone, let alone ban them, but when people ignore warnings and start to become insolent, I simply have no choice.

and this "Everything about everything" section is the last bastion where you can just chat...

I can't agree with this at all; tournaments are held regularly on the forum. I understand that some people are not interested in them, but that is not a reason to start a debate.

you don't take into account the opinions of other forum members

A few people are protesting, while the rest simply don't come here or post.
By the way, the decision to close some topics was collective and took quite a long time to reach.

As usual, in conclusion, any decision can be appealed by writing a PM to the Creator.

Each topic was read multiple times before a decision was made to close or delete it.

So, Monsieur, are you saying that, for example, you read the topic "den of debauchery" several times? Hmm, I somehow strongly doubt it. Although, if you, sir, possess an enormous reading speed, please forgive me.

and this section, "Everything about everything," is the last bastion where you can simply chat...

I cannot agree with this, tournaments are held regularly on the forum; I understand that some people are not interested in them, but this is not a reason to start a debate.Based on your answer, one can conclude that in tournament topics, you can simply chat on any free topic.

Sincerely, user of the Heroes World Portal, Maggot.

I see that the conversations have become more polite. This is a good thing. Now, let's all calmly discuss this, without irony, etc. Regarding the aforementioned forums on the same topic: the Hive was distinguished by the fact that it had more off-topic discussions and a much warmer and more pleasant atmosphere. If it ever fit the three epithets that Xaker used, it was only then. This made it special, not just a collection of tournament schedules and game information. And we need to continue to build on that. I can't help but notice regarding the phrase from "The Dog's Heart" – it doesn't quite fit here. There's a saying that would be much more appropriate: "Don't count your chickens before they hatch." Let's be realistic – until the forum starts to resemble the aforementioned adjectives more closely, no one will consider it as such, and they will be absolutely right. To make the portal better, we don't just need to think of it as already good; we need to do something, and the phrase from the movie confirms this, rather than what Xaker attributed it to. Furthermore, Zybr and WhiteLizard said everything very well, and I completely agree with them, for which I respect them and give them a +1. Regarding morality – morality is different for everyone. But to react so strongly to the discussion of social phenomena such as prostitution (the oldest profession, by the way xD)? This is abnormal. Maybe we are expressing our concern for our Motherland in this way and discussing its problems? If there were topics with a lot of profanity and discussions about how users like to engage in BDSM, then it would be worth banning such topics, and even the users, but it seems we don't have such perverts, etc. Right? There were quite fair bans when some users went too far, but deleting such large topics as "Haven of Debauchery," which may have contained some vulgarity (though rarely, usually people were just messing around, but that's not an obscene phenomenon), but mostly contained some moments from the life of the forum, can only cause righteous anger among users who actively used this topic. And the bans of users who expressed their dissatisfaction with the actions of the coordinator were also not particularly pleasing. Further. If we, even among ourselves, start discussing what is happening on the forum, it means that the way we communicate on it matters to us. And that's good, if you want the portal to be the way you so vividly described. And one more thing. You said that, in your opinion, the "Off-Topic" section is not needed at all. It is clear that there are different categories of people among the forum members. There are people who come here, look for contact information for players, and that's where their life on the forum ends. There are also those who come here mainly to participate in tournaments, and also engage in some other forum activities that don't produce much results (like guild management, for example). And then there are those who spend a lot of time in the "Off-Topic" section (mainly young people). The latter don't do much either, but they communicate very actively; some play Heroes, some don't. In your opinion, should the latter not exist at all? And will the forum be better without them? Do you even believe that? And even if so, then it would have been necessary to immediately, on the main page, highlight in large letters that there is no place for such a category of people here. P.S. There is nothing wrong with the word "dick." It is a letter from the ancient Russian alphabet, and the fact that someone puts some kind of indecent meaning into it is another matter. If someone thinks that a dictionary and a male sex organ are the same thing, what can I do? Should I start making typos?))

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Unfortunately, our rules are not perfect, but we shouldn't take advantage of that...

Here! This is something I couldn't help but notice. Mr. Coordinator, this applies to you as well as to us

I see that the conversations have become more polite. That's a good thing.

I completely agree. I'm very glad about that.

If he ever fit the three epithets of a Hacker, it was only then.

If you exclude the topics that are now closed and deleted, then he is still like that, if you don't see it, well, maybe that's the case...

Let's be realistic - until the forum starts to approach the above-mentioned adjectives more closely, no one will consider it as such and they will be absolutely right.

I agree, but how can it be made like that if no one strives for it? :smile32:

something needs to be done, and a phrase from a movie confirms this.

exactly

But to react so strongly to the discussion of such social phenomena as prostitution (the oldest profession, by the way xD)?

Both sides are punished and fined for this profession; it is a violation of the law.

Maybe we are concerned about our Motherland in this way and discussing its problems?

Or maybe you are not concerned, this is not the question being discussed in the topic.

but the deletion of such large topics as "Haven of Debauchery" in which there may have been some vulgarity in places.

The size of the topic does not matter.
If the topic has run its course and the discussion has moved on to another topic.
It was precisely because of the latter that the decision was made to delete it... :(

And the bans of users who expressed their dissatisfaction with the actions of the coordinator were also not very pleasing to the eye.

Users were warned, but they continued to ignore the warnings, there was no other choice.
If the actions of the moderator/coordinator are considered unlawful, you can appeal them by providing information about this to the Creator.
Discussing actions is a violation of the portal rules

In your opinion, there should be no bans at all.

I didn't say that. Please note (read the HW Help)

HeroesWorld is a community of fans of the games Heroes of Might and Magic 1, 2, 3, 4, 5; King's Bounty; Might and Magic 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9; Dark Messiah of Might and Magic; Legends of Might and Magic and other games dedicated to the Might and Magic universe created by John Van Caneghem.

HeroesWorld is a community of sites, the theme of which is related to the games Heroes of Might and Magic 1, 2, 3, 4, 5; King's Bounty; Might and Magic 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9; Dark Messiah of Might and Magic; Legends of Might and Magic and other games dedicated to the Might and Magic universe created by John Van Caneghem. The central site of this community is www.HeroesWorld.ru

This is a letter from the Old Russian alphabet.

The point is not what this word is, but what meaning is put into it.

Here! Something I couldn't help but notice. Mr. Coordinator, this also applies to you as well as to us)))

I agree. However, the rules imply a good faith attitude. The rules are not designed for this kind of violation, because it has not happened before, perhaps in the near future the rules will be adjusted in accordance with moral standards.

Based on your answer, one can conclude that in tournament topics, you can simply chat on any free topic.

Don't confuse any topic with a vulgar one.
However, any topic can become vulgar as a result of incorrect discussion.

The size of the topic doesn't matter.
If the topic has run its course and the discussion has moved on to another topic.
It was precisely because of the latter that the decision to delete it was made...

Firstly, the "haven of debauchery" didn't have a specific theme.
Secondly, it couldn't possibly run its course (see the first sentence :)).
And thirdly, as far as I know, after a topic has run its course, it is closed, but not deleted.

If the topic has run its course and the discussion has moved on to another topic.
It was precisely because of the latter that the decision to delete it was made...

If there is no theme, then it's already an off-line chat, and I recall the Creator himself closed the GC [General Chat]... but I understand that the normal chat isn't working right now, which is why the theme existed, but surely it was possible to ask to open the old GC (in place of the non-working chat), rather than creating a new theme(s)....

PS I'm curious, is there a chat on the League and on other forums (I don't remember the name), like on HeroesWorld?... if not, then it means that spam threads replace them (who knows how it is there, but on other forums it's like that)... but we do have one, hence a theme spam thread is not needed (on a permanent basis, I mean... but while there is no normal chat, let it be)?

Chat and a "topic" like this are completely different things!
For example, before I write a new message in a topic like this, I read everything I haven't read yet (even if it's 10 pages).
I, for example, don't like chat. It glitches, you can't post pictures (and if you do, it will glitch even more), etc. People don't write huge, interesting posts in chat. Mostly it's just:
%Username%: Hello
%Username2%: Hello, how are you?
%Username%: I'm fine, how are you?
%Username3%: Hello everyone.
%Username%: Hello
%Username2%: Hello.
(Half an hour passes)
%Username3%: :smile28:
%Username%: :smile28:
%Username2%: :D

And, as I wrote above, a "topic" like this is not an official chat :[br][/br]

P.S. I'm not saying that chat isn't needed; I'm saying that a topic like "Haven of Debauchery" or "Brewery at Haven" is necessary.

If there's no theme, then it's already an off-line chat, and I remember the Creator himself closed the GC.... but I understand that the normal chat doesn't work now, so there was a theme, but it would have been possible to ask to open the old GC (in place of the non-working chat), rather than creating a new theme(s)....

The hero chat can be opened; unfortunately, no one told me this.
There will be no regular chat for now; minor technical issues and the load on the hosting prevent its use. It is planned to be restored in the near future, it's just a matter of time.

P.S. I'm curious, on the League and other forum (I don't remember the name) there is a chat, like on HeroesWorld?... if not, then the spam threads replace them (I don't know how it is there, but it's like that on other forums)... but we do have one, which means a spam thread is not needed (permanently, I mean... but while there's no normal chat, maybe let it be)?

All types of spam are strictly suppressed, with the exception of one section. Besides, the portals were originally created for Tournaments, but here they are for discussion.

P.S. I'm not saying a chat isn't needed; I'm saying a thread like "Haven of Debauchery" or "Pub at HeroesWorld" is necessary.

Agreed, there were no complaints about these threads before this conflict.
I hope this doesn't happen again.

Got, yeah, I agree... when there's such a mess in the chat, it's not interesting to hang out there anymore. That's why I closed the "pub" because the same thing started happening there, although it was intended for something else (even if it's not in the rules). People should understand some things without rules, using their own brains... unfortunately, not everyone understands this, which is why this kind of nonsense starts. P.S. about the boring chat... It's not about some unknown thing, but about the people... because before, there were a lot of people in the chat, and it was fun, maybe even more fun than in the "pub"... and the chat was definitely more active than some thread in the "chit-chat" section. Now there are different people who don't really go there... although it's also the same as in the thread... even better. Messages are written immediately, and it's much more convenient to communicate. You can see who is leaving and who is coming. Often, they came up with something interesting and immediately implemented it (like showing avatars, etc.). And if you remember the various pranks and jokes, then... hehe. P.P.S. One of the usernames with a ninja is Zhenya, and the other is KOSHA. Maybe it's Witch, who knows

P.S. And it's not about some obscure thing, but about the people... because before there were many people in the chat, and it was fun.

Exactly, before. Times change, and as you yourself said, "people come and go."
Times change (I repeat myself :)), and closing/deleting a topic like that "pub" won't make the chat more active or fun.

And directly about the Haven.
I think it needs to be brought back, if it wasn't completely removed.
P.S. I didn't even notice that it was brought back.

P.S. Regarding the boring chat...
It's not about some unknown thing, but about the people... because before, there were many people in the chat, and it was fun, maybe even more fun than in a pub... and the chat was definitely more active than some thread in the off-topic section... Now there are different people who don't really go there... although it's just as good as in the thread, even better. Messages are written immediately, and it's much easier to communicate. You can see who is leaving and who is coming...
We often came up with something interesting and immediately implemented it (like showing avatars, etc.)... and if you remember the various pranks and jokes, then... hehe)

I agree, but I still think that the chat should be on the main page of the forum, not in a separate option. Before, it was visible, and although sometimes inappropriate people went there, still everyone went there, and it was convenient to follow the topic on the forum and write in the chat at the same time.
I haven't been in the "new" chat very often, but it seems to me that the same people went there day after day...