Necropolis or Castle (Which one is stronger?) — Tactics

TOMArABK

20 years ago

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Sergh;20781

I agree about the devils... plus the ice creatures... The greens are among the slowest shooters (only ballistas and wasps are slower), going anywhere with them is torture... and Cerberuses - people won't attack you with magic, but with their hands and feet... so... ghosts are more useful.

Ghosts, in addition to vampires, are good when you put a Martyr enchantment on the ghosts so that the damage goes to the vampire. Then the ghosts deal with the undead and age the living. And the vampires feed for both.
A vampire is useless against life.

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Sergh

20 years ago

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Ghosts, in addition to vampires, are good when you use a Martyr on the ghosts so that the damage goes to the vampire. Then the ghosts deal with the undead and age the living. And the vampires feed for both.
A vampire is useless against life.

Ghosts are always good, not just with vampires... and as for vampires... green potions won't make much of a difference... (the amulet works fully against them too...)

P.S. By the way, it's interesting that I'm actually for life... you're like, for death...
And right now we're arguing the opposite... I'm defending death, and you're defending life... interesting situation :) :D :)

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TOMArABK

20 years ago

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ghosts are always good, not just with vampires... and as for vampires... the greens won't make much of a difference... (the amulet works against them in full...)

P.S. By the way, what's interesting is that I'm actually for Life... you're sort of for Death...
And now we're arguing the opposite... I'm defending Death, and you're defending Life... an interesting situation :) :D :)
You're right, to be honest, I love a faster army, which is why I have two standards. NECROPOLIS (ALL UNDEAD) and NATURE (ALL ATTACK FLYERS (2 squads of phoenixes, Manticores, Griffins) WITH 3 heroes). And I rarely play as Life if I know the opponent took Death. Otherwise, I prefer Necros against everyone except Chaos (where Nature rules) and Life (where Barbarian rule (which is the coolest tactical approach)).

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Sergh

20 years ago

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Actually, I prefer Necropolis against everyone except Chaos (where nature dominates) and Haven (where barbarians dominate, and they have the best tactical approach).

What don't you like about Necropolis against Chaos... there's plenty of room for vampires and ghosts... the only exception is ifrits, but... it's not as bad as it seems... (sorry for the off-topic).

Qwerty

20 years ago

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Knights are faster because skeletons have low speed.
Build-up speed: on the first week, Necromancers will have vampires, humans will have cavalry (most likely), then a free upgrade and forward. Due to greater mobility, territory is opened faster, Pandoras are consumed, and then Dragon Utopia is taken. If Necromancers play without skeletons (to avoid slowing down) - vampires represent a serious force only starting from the third week, and in Dragon Utopia they are torn apart easily.
So everything depends on the layout and playing with an understanding of the opponent's characteristics. I would take Dessa against Necromancers.

Sergh

20 years ago

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Is this in Heroes of Might and Magic III? ... because we were already arguing about different versions.

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parus

20 years ago

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I completely agree with you; in skilled hands, both sides will seem strong...

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We are discussing the third tier; the fourth and fifth tiers don't count!!!

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Ta Kotoraya...;20595

Undead will most likely be stronger... although it's not a certainty; it depends on whose hands control it all! ;)

I completely agree; in skilled hands, any of these Castles will seem like a gem!

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AlexeyPank
I see you're talking about the Angel Alliance, the Undead King's Cloak, and the Cursed Armor....
This is all theoretical, and of course, collecting such artifacts guarantees victory, BUT... in practice (whether it's games played locally 1v1, games played on Hamachi 2v2, or games in GameSpy... in general, any kind of online game...) I NEVER saw anyone collect something like that.

And I have seen it, and not just once!!!

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Ta Kotoraya...

20 years ago

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parus

I completely agree, in skilled hands, any of these factions will seem like a treat!

Well, yes... but I don't really like playing as either of them... Although, if I were playing (if I were playing against myself :D), people would have a better chance... that's how it is!

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parus

20 years ago

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No one is saying that Necromancers will sit on the defensive; a normal Necromancer is a Necromancer-traveler. Regarding the Cavaliers: a built-up hippodrome + 2 purchased Cavaliers – I agree, that's serious, but if we draw an analogy, 2 Black Knights are even more powerful, twice as good as the Cavaliers.

Let's start with the fact that Cavaliers are built in the first week, and Black Knights at the earliest in the second week (if you're lucky). And Cavaliers have a bonus (Cavalry bonus), while Black Knights have more health. And if we take Dragons and Angels, then there's no need for comments (Angels rule).

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Ta Kotoraya...;20893

Well, yes... but I don't really like playing as either of them... Although, in MY hands (that is, if I were to play against myself:D), humans would have more chances... that's how it is!

I can say that the chances are equal, but Vampires can do something that no unit from the human Castle can do, in equal proportions!!

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TOMArABK

20 years ago

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What don't you like about the Necropolis against Chaos? Vampires and ghosts thrive there... the only exception is Ifrits, but... it's not as bad as it seems. (sorry for the off-topic)

Nature against CHAOS with Black Dragons is scarier than the undead.
Because in Nature, 3 Manticores can take down 2 Black Dragons in a one-on-one fight, and two Manticores will remain alive. And if you add Phoenixes, there will be nothing left of the Black Dragons in a couple of rounds, and then Griffons with Serpent Strike and heroes will deal with the rest. Oh, I got sidetracked! :) :) :)

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parus;20895

Let's start with the fact that Cavaliers are built in the first week, while Black Knights are built in the second week at the earliest (if you're lucky). Cavaliers have a bonus, while Black Knights have more health. And if you take Dragons and Angels, there's no need for comment (Angels rule).

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I can say that the chances are equal, but Vampires can do something that no unit from a human castle can do, in equal proportions!

You're not quite right about the Black Knights. Their attack is approximately 30% higher overall. And with an upgrade, they also have a double strike.
And the strength of the undead lies in the skeletons, especially in their numbers. And among the undead, you can highlight 4 units that are the strongest in their class. 1-Skeleton (due to their numbers), Vampire (lord), Lich (stronger than a Fanatic without an upgrade), Death Knight (only Naga can compete with him). :cool:

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Sergh

20 years ago

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Because in nature, 3 Mantises can take down 2 Cyclops, and two Mantises will remain alive.

Do you remember the weekly growth ratio? :)
3 Mantises for 2 Cyclops? :D I think the Mantis growth rate is LESS than the Cyclops growth rate, and nobility doesn't work on the portal, so it's MUCH less... and you'll have not 3 Mantises for 2 Cyclops, but the opposite... and that's in the best-case scenario...:o

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Knight

20 years ago

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You can gain an advantage over humans by utilizing their training facilities (turn all peasants into archers, and as many as possible into swordsmen = inquisitors = cavalry).

jekat31

20 years ago

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Do you even have any idea how much money this would cost?

Sergh

20 years ago

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There aren't that many options for archers... even for swordsmen... although I don't usually make swordsmen... I convert everyone into archers, and if I have enough money, I convert some into inquisitors... you really need a lot of money for mounts...
But even the extra bonuses from archers and inquisitors are completely satisfying to me...

jekat31

20 years ago

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I agree, I think people are doing well with archers, especially with Haven, but they only have enough money for them, which is a shame, or they need to play for a very long time.

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