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Chaos always dominates at the very beginning, but not for Elves due to their low magic skills. However, when there are volleys of arrows, spells like Magic Arrow and Earth Shock, or Ice Storm, then Chaos is truly powerful. But this kind of situation usually happens somewhere in the middle of the game, when the Elf is sufficiently leveled up. Therefore, on small maps, Chaos doesn't dominate, that's my opinion.
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Chaos always rules at the very beginning, but not for Elves due to their low magic skills. However, when there are Rain of Arrows, Magic Arrow, and Earth Shock or Ice Storm, then Chaos is really powerful. But such a setup usually happens somewhere in the middle of the game, when the Elf is sufficiently leveled up. Therefore, on small maps, Chaos doesn't rule, in my opinion.

You seem to be contradicting yourself, don't you notice?

"Chaos always rules at the very beginning" and "on small maps, Chaos doesn't rule" don't quite go together, do they?

My opinion is that Chaos is needed, both on small maps (Rain of Arrows with Ice Storm or Ring of Ice is quite enjoyable even with minimal magic power due to the large base damage) and on large maps (a sharply increased spellpower by Druids allows you to surpass Necromancers and Warlocks in magic, and 3 Earth Shocks with 3000 damage each are no joke).
Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...
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No... chaos is not needed by the elves; they are strong enough as it is. It is better to gain wisdom and learn other spells.
Стрелы истинного рейнджера не знают промаха
и разят ненавистных врагов королевства...:smile13:
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No... chaos is not needed by the elves; they are strong enough as it is. It is better to gain wisdom and learn other spells...
You shouldn't talk about chaos like that; by the way, with chaos, you can achieve a lot even with a not-so-strong army...
Chaos + Rain of Arrows + Enchanted Ballista with 3 shots, naturally:)(at more advanced levels). And without chaos, your army has no chance; let your hero and the ballista walk around a couple of times, and the battle is over!!!


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No... chaos is not needed by the elves; they are strong enough as it is. It is better to gain wisdom and learn other spells...
Nonsense!

Wisdom is not needed by the high elves, and it is very difficult to obtain.
And why would high elves need sorcery?
Unless it's for Dyraell.

You praise chaos so much for its demons, so what's wrong with high elves and their new druids?
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Chaos + Rain of Arrows + Enchanted Ballista with 3 shots naturally
= a massive mana drain. Although the effect exceeds all expectations. =)
Perhaps, if you take Winraell and max out his spellcasting luck, it might be worthwhile.
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= a massive mana drain. Although the effect exceeds all expectations. =)
Perhaps, if you take Winraiel and max out his spell power, it might be worthwhile.
But did the elves complain about a lack of mana? I think it's the opposite - they have too much of it.
An enchanted Ballista is, of course, a rare thing (2% on Machines), but you can definitely use Rain. The total damage from Chaos with the new Druids is greater than that of a Warlock.
And, by the way, forget about Spell Power. What's the point of theorizing without knowing the details? It doesn't work with Arrow. It only works with a "pure" hero cast.
Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...
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And by the way, forget about the Sorcerer's Luck skill. What's the point of theorizing without knowing the specifics? It doesn't work with the Arrow skill. It only works with a "pure" hero class.
It's a shame, he could have been a cool hero. I'll go study the mechanics. And where does it say that the perk doesn't work with the enchanted arrow? It's not in the manual =(
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Xana
It's a pity, he would have been a cool hero. I'll go study the details. And where does it say that the perk doesn't work with an enchanted arrow? There's nothing about it in the manual =(
That's what I'm saying - you need to test it, not theorize, because the manual isn't perfect either - it has errors and omissions.
And with Critical Strike - it's clear even from a logical point of view. The hero doesn't cast a spell, but uses the Rain of Arrows ability. Or attacks with a direct attack. The spell is applied on top of that. And that's why Critical Strike doesn't work.
Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...
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Chaos is definitely needed. Especially when facing a barrage of arrows. It's undoubtedly useful. Magic can be obtained through artifacts and druids. Chaos is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, in my opinion. It's obvious. Unless you're playing against Marbas or similar heroes.
Тот, кто находит удовольствие в уединении, либо дикий зверь, либо Бог (с) Аристотель

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No... chaos is not needed by the elves; they are strong enough as it is. It's better to gain wisdom and learn other spells...
But for me, Chaos Magic is one of the most important abilities, so I would never refuse it. However, it is the best type of magic of all.
And for those who don't like it, welcome to the shotgun. Although I prefer to strike with the King Dragon's sword, or with an ice one...
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Actually, when it comes to Chaos, I only choose Direal and Talannar because they have red hair... but seriously, Talannar learns Fire Fury, and Direal learns Mana Blast. The rest prefer Light or Summoning. I would never choose Dark Magic...
Стрелы истинного рейнджера не знают промаха
и разят ненавистных врагов королевства...:smile13:
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If you want to know, I only take Dirael and Talanar for Chaos, because they are redheads...
Well, and what about it? I have a heroine in my book with fiery red hair, and she is a warrior of the element of water, although the fact that she is a hereditary dragon lord plays a significant role in her hair color:D.
But seriously, I can't live without Chaos, I can't even survive without active magic (in this game, Chaos is the most active). And I never care who my hero is, the main thing is that he has Chaos magic (as well as some other abilities...):. The rest doesn't matter... :D
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Let's remember Adriana). She's a brunette, even though she specialized in Fire magic, which is the most chaotic magic of the three. It's not about her hair color, I agree with Mutara.

Elves should definitely take Chaos. I'll say it a hundred times. Why? Firstly, the new druids with their ability. Secondly, enchanted arrow + arrow storm. Thirdly, you can upgrade a ballista with enchanted arrows. And elves have never had mana problems.
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KonServator
Thirdly, you can upgrade the ballista with enchanted arrows. And elves never have mana problems.
And how often do you upgrade it? With 2% on Machines for an Elf?
By the way, does everyone know that if the initiative of an Enchanted Ballista is higher than its nominal value, the hero will not attack again after its first volley until it is destroyed or until the mana runs out?
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If that's the case, I only take Dirael and Talanar for Chaos because they are redheads... seriously, Talanar learns Fire Wrath, and Dirael learns Mana Burst. Everyone else prefers Light or Summoning. I would never take Dark Magic...
Um... And is it okay that Dirael already has Summoning at the start? Chaos + Summoning... And not taking any combat skills? And why this particular division: Talanar specifically with Fire Wrath, and Dirael specifically with Mana Burst? Can't it be the other way around?:D
Я видел, как Небо окутала Тьма, и Небо смирилось с Судьбой,
Горящие реки сходили с ума, пытаясь остаться водой,
Земля пропустила коварный удар, раскрывшись на шаге вперёд,
Взлетел разъярённым драконом Огонь и понял, что тоже умрёт...
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