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Clan Wars: online (Autumn 2008)

Inter-clan tournaments. Closed Topic
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Offline Nagan-4
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Dear friends, on behalf of the leader and warriors of the "Many in One" clan, I am authorized to submit an application for hosting the second team Clan War for HoMM3 online. You can read about the first, spring, Clan War here: /topic/4274/ and here: /topic/4308/. So, some introductory information. 1. The team tournament is held to popularize our beloved game, attract new players, consolidate clans, and identify the strongest among them. In addition to registered clans, two teams have the right to participate in the Clan War – the “Union of Independent Clans” team and the Uran and Dudj team, “Iron Crocodiles”. 2. The team tournament will be played on versions 3.2 and 4.0 of the SoD expansion pack for HoMM3. 3. The tournament is played according to the rules of online games for HoMM3 /topic/3515/. 4. The team consists of three people who are members of the same clan. If a clan registers more than three online players, it has the right to make substitutions during the tournament, notifying its opponent in advance. Also, the clan has the right to make changes to the roster and add new clan players during the tournament. If there are not three players in the clan, the clan can field two fighters, but no fewer: the situation where one person plays for the entire team should not happen again. *For example, if there are two players in a clan, they may take one mercenary as a third player; taking two or more mercenaries is not allowed.* Note: A mercenary is a player registered on the forum but not belonging to any registered clans. 5. Tournament schedule. Each team must play one round per week, according to the schedule. *For example, if one of the teams fields only one player for a round, while the other fields three as required, then the first team will receive two losses for absence, and the second will lead in the match 2-0. However, the captain of the team must inform the referee about the absent players of the opposing team in advance. For example, both teams fielded only one player for a round. In this case, the match between the teams will end with a score of 1-0 instead of the expected 2-1 or 3-0.* 6. The tournament uses a round-robin system; each team plays against every other team. The winner is determined by a simple majority of points scored. The clan whose players treat the tournament most conscientiously will win. We ask clan leaders and online fighters to submit applications for the tournament here. The tentative start date of the tournament is October 11th. May the strongest win!
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Please accept the application from the Clans "WITCHES"...

Participants:

1. Dirty_Player

2. WisTrit

3. T@mar@


- Информация... -вступление...

Твой друг назвал меня принцессой,
А ты сказал, скрывая страх:
Таких принцесс в старинных пьесах,
В конце, сжигали на кострах...
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Due to internal clan circumstances, the roster has not yet been determined.
However, the application to participate remains valid.
В. Уэйтс©
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Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

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From the Union of Independent Clans: 1) Blacpoint 2) Smoke_mk 3) SpiriTT ___________ Regarding the player SpiriTT, if he will definitely participate, Denminator will confirm. Sincerely, General
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The Homo Homini clan team proposes to adjust the tournament regulations... a request to the esteemed organizer, as well as to all other teams, to carefully consider the proposal, but also to be prompt, as the start is in just 3 days... and the application for the tournament depends on the regulations.

4. To participate in the tournament. The captain of each team must submit the team roster (according to the template).
4.1 The team roster must be numbered and contain from 3 to 6 players.
- Main roster (3 players)
- Reserve roster (0-3 players)
4.2 From the start of the tournament, the team roster cannot be changed, including the "main roster," which will be used to form pairs, for example... (player from team A, number 1, plays against player from team B, number 1, etc.).
4.2.1 A team with a roster of 2 players has the right to recruit one mercenary* ** (only under the number "3").
4.2.2 A team with a roster of 3 players has the right to recruit one mercenary (only in the reserve roster).

5. Tournament schedule. Each team must play one round per week, according to the schedule. A round consists of 3 duels.
5.1 One player can participate only once per round.
5.2 All teams are entitled to 2 substitutions in each round, provided that the players who were substituted and those who came in as substitutes are considered to have played in that round.
5.3 The captain of the team must inform the referee about the substitution no later than 1 day after the start of the round. As an exception, a substitution is allowed at a later date, but only with the permission of the captain of the opposing team; otherwise, a technical defeat will be awarded.


Template

“Team Name”

Main Roster
1 “player nickname”
2 “player nickname”
3 “player nickname”

Reserve Roster
4 “player nickname” or a dash “-”
5 “player nickname” or a dash “-”
6 “player nickname” or a dash “-”

* mercenary: a player who does not belong to a clan
** players from a clan that has not submitted an application for the tournament may be considered mercenaries
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Offline Nagan-4
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[Due to internal Clan circumstances, the roster has not been determined.
However, the application to participate remains.
/QUOTE]

2 Homo Homini.

Guys, I am counting on you the most. Throughout this time, you have been the Clan that has been above squabbles and disagreements. You have a strong roster - Alex R, vbn, ewgeniy. Of course, it would not hurt to include another player in the team for backup; I am sure that many players who are not part of Clans would be honored to play for you.
We all know each other, and the tournament will go well. Therefore, dear Evgeny, please provide the team roster.
The Homo Homini Clan team proposes to adjust the regulations for the tournament... a request to the esteemed organizer, as well as to all other teams, to carefully consider the proposal, but also to be prompt, as the start is in 3 days... and the application for the tournament depends on the regulations.

I will go through the points. For the most part, these are simply clarifying provisions that do not change the essence of the rules; thank you for your help.

Point 4 - yes.
Point 4.1 - yes.
4.2 - no, why would backups be needed if the main roster cannot be changed? Most Clans will hardly have more than three players in their roster, at most four. Backups also want to play for the team; they are the same people as the main players. Therefore, if the team captains want to, let them replace a main player with a backup.
4.2.1 and 4.2.2 - no. The "From Many, One" Clan manages on its own; the Witches and СНК Clans do the same; you seem to be doing the same as well. Perhaps the Phoenixes and Crocodiles will also submit an application. The Phoenixes have so many mediocre players that they hardly need mercenaries, even if they take one, he will not be stronger than their main players. The same goes for the Crocodiles - they will not be able to create a team that is stronger than the one they had when they won the first Clan War. Therefore, everyone will manage on their own; mercenaries will not be decisive this time.

Points 5, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3 - only yes.
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Nagan-4;199411
4.2 - No, why would we need reserves if the main roster cannot be changed? Most clans will likely have no more than three players in their roster, at most four. The reserves also want to play for the team; they are just as much a part of the team as the main players. Therefore, if the team captains want to, let them switch the main player with a reserve.
Alex_R, Nagan-4: you have a disagreement in the wording of "main roster" and "changing the main roster."
Dear Nagan-4, Alex_R did not mean that reserves do not get the right to play. Why would he write such a "useless" point if that were the case? The point was that the main roster and the reserves must be strictly defined before the start of the tournament, without any changes during the tournament. This is the main thing we want. We want to clearly see the list of people allowed to participate in the tournament from each team, and not have a new "horse" appear in the middle of the tournament as a replacement. That is, the reserves, like the main roster, must be determined before the start of the tournament. And the number of reserves can be 10, for all we care, as long as they are determined in advance. And if all of this was already implied in the rules of the first post in the thread, then please correct point 3 accordingly.
Клан Homo homini

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth...
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4.2.1 A team consisting of 2 players is allowed to recruit one mercenary* ** (only as player number "3").
4.2.2 A team consisting of 3 players is allowed to recruit one mercenary (only to the reserve roster).
These two points are utter nonsense...
If someone wants the mercenary to play as player number 1, they can put him on the bench and immediately make a substitution...
And why should the mercenary play as player number 3 if he's the strongest? If someone came up with the idea of mercenaries and allowing them to be used, why limit them right away? A mercenary is a full member of the team!!!

As for a clear definition of the roster, that's a good idea on one hand... But there will definitely be teams that only field three players, and in the middle of the tournament, someone might not be able to play, and then there's nothing you can do, and the technical default will be recorded in the standings... Is that fair? After all, it's not about money, so why such strict regulations? Or is someone already trying to profit from the rules? :smile29:
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Off-topic:
Let's all get along!
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Offline Alex_R
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Dirty_Player;199425
These two points are just nonsense...
Sometimes, what seems like nonsense is simply something you don't understand :D

question:
Dirty_Player;199425
And why should a mercenary play under number 3 if they are the strongest?
answer:
Nagan-4;198454

1. The team tournament is held to consolidate Clans and identify the strongest among them.
comment:
I think it's obvious that mercenaries shouldn't be showing the real strength of the Clan, right? ;)
example:
In the previous "inter-clan" tournament, Aldegir, playing as a mercenary, didn't even play as number 1, but won all three micro-duels and scored points... is such a result objective?
P.S. In general, read the topic related to the previous tournament, look at the statistics - many questions and misunderstandings will disappear :)
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Alex_R;199430
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I think it's obvious that the real strength of a clan shouldn't be shown by mercenaries, right? ;)
Okay, if that's the case, then let's ban playing as a mercenary! Even having just one mercenary will skew the statistics, won't it?
For example, in a team tournament, Neoandi played for the Guardians of Illar, but how would the Guardians perform without him?
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Dirty_Player;199435
Okay, if that's the case, then let's ban mercenaries! Even having just one mercenary will skew the statistics, won't it?
If we ban mercenary use altogether, then the idea of the tournament is only partially justified.
Nagan-4;198454
1. The team tournament is held to attract new players.
Therefore, a compromise is proposed between these two extremes: assign mercenaries a non-leading role... and this in no way diminishes them, as they can prove themselves as full members of the team (if a mercenary suddenly has more ambition than the entire Clan, then, sorry, they shouldn't even apply to be hired... to skew the statistics :D)... + the main idea is still to have more teams, so that some Clans that don't have the ability to field 3 players can participate using mercenaries... and "identifying the strongest Clan" is at the end of the list of tournament goals - therefore, in any, even the most well-intentioned community, the rules need to be thoroughly defined, because not everyone demonstrates restraint and mutual respect to the end... ;)
... you don't have to look far for an example:smile26:
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Alex_R;199438
... you don't have to look far for an example:smile26:
Everyone has their own idea of what constitutes such an example! Some people call other players "fascists" as an "example," and then talk about some kind of respect... :D

P.S.: Okay, I've had my say! The organizer will make the decision. I'm happy with any decision made by Nagan-4, because I have no doubt about his competence!
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Offline ewgeniy
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Ahem...
Sasha, Kostya, let's stop arguing, okay?
You're taking advantage of the fact that I don't have permissions in this section:smile51:
В. Уэйтс©
Но поскольку я нищий,
у меня лишь есть мечты.
Я разостлал свои мечты пред вашими ногами.
Ступайте бережно, ибо вы ступаете по моим мечтам.

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General ZeT;199269
From the Union of Independent Clans:
1)Blacpoint
2)Smoke_mk
3)SpiriTT

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Regarding player SpiriTT, Denminator will confirm if he will participate.

Sincerely, General
Hmm, the situation with Smoke_mk is unclear; he is already on my clan's team.
Why is he listed in the application from the Union of Independent Clans???:confused:
Ушел с героев, пока пряники)
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