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Sorry if I'm off-topic, but the question is being discussed: "What's the easiest way to kill Black Dragons?"
So... with a Minotaur...
Well, many other creatures can also do it with a retaliatory attack, but you need to choose the right terrain. But with a Minotaur, you can do it without choosing the right terrain.
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If anything, I agree: this is a flaw in Heroes 4. This flaw can and should be avoided by creating well-designed tournament rules.
But it is possible to kill them.
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Undergrounder;196023
Sorry if I'm off-topic, but the question of "How to kill Black Dragons" in the easiest way is being discussed.
So... with a Minotaur...
Good luck to you. In online play. :D
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Sorry if I'm off-topic, but the question is being discussed: "What's the easiest way to kill Black Dragons?"
So... with a Minotaur...
Well, many other creatures can do it with a guaranteed hit, but you need to choose the right terrain. But with a Minotaur, you don't even need to worry about the terrain.
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If anything, I agree: this is a flaw in H4. This flaw can and should be avoided by creating well-designed tournament rules.
But it is possible to kill them.

This is an abomination:rolleyes:, not a battle, in my opinion. And you suggest something without save-loading - a normal solution;)

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Mega Dragon back then :smile10:

Original! And where can you get it, if it's not a secret?:mad:

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That's original! And where can you get it, if it's not a secret?
You're looking for the Ring of Great Negation and casting it on a Champion of Dungeon, using the Sylvan Dragon Strength spell. :D
Champion of Dungeon and casting Dragon Strength on it = Mega Dragon ;)
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You're looking for the Ring of Great Negation and casting it on the Champion of Darkness with the Nature's Power spell of the Dragon.:D

It's good, of course, but both the ring and the megadragon are rare items (the latter, in my opinion, is harder to find).

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No, seriously. We're discussing some kind of "spherical horse in a vacuum."
So, one limitation has been clarified – it's about online play. I guess I missed where that was mentioned.
Okay, what about other limitations?
"It's easiest to defeat a Chaos Demon by using a slightly larger number of Chaos Demons" – is that an acceptable answer? Why not? Doesn't it correspond to the question?
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No, seriously. We're discussing some kind of "spherical horse in a vacuum."
Turns out there's one limitation – it's online. I guess I missed where that was mentioned.
Okay, what about other limitations?
"The easiest way to defeat a Chaos Demon is with a slightly larger number of Chaos Demons" – is that an acceptable answer? Why not? Doesn't it correspond to the question?
No, there are no limitations.
It's just that "easiest" and "Minotaur" don't really correlate.
The topic, like many others, is quite strange. I'm not arguing. But why not just chat about life?
Look, jellyfish have crawled out from under the Sanctuary.
A good experience with a level 15 Wanderer Priest showed.
And in general, not many people are willing to play a tournament-style offline game (and Minotaur, Fake, etc. are in this category). That's why we're discussing options that are actually applicable, and not just "difficult to implement."
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P.S. By the way, I checked the first post of the topic. The question is quite specific. :)
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Yes, the question in the first post is quite specific. I was surprised. :)\ \ If we remove the requirement for the troop to be "lawful," I'd suggest a harpy. Not online, of course, but not too much of a hassle either. You can use it to clear out a small, enclosed area (4x4). Then, you can just let it auto-attack and watch the battle.

Why did I even get involved here? I just don't understand the saves. Wanderer, please, share the secret – why did your Chaos Druids start appearing in groups of three? Did you convert the saves from Equilibris?
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Yes, the question in the first post is quite specific. I was surprised. :)

If we remove the requirement for the troop to be "lawful," I would suggest a harpy. Not online, of course, but not too much of a hassle either. You can set it up, clear out a 4x4 dead end. Then you just let the autobattle run and watch the show.


But, if I'm not mistaken, dead ends are prohibited on official servers.

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not a secret, on powerspot

and please explain to me - what is a powerspot?

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If we remove the requirement for a "decent" troop, I'd suggest a harpy. Not for online play, of course, but it's not too overpowered. You can set it up, clear a small, enclosed area (4x4). Then, just let the auto-battle run and watch the show.
Here, the approaches are fundamentally different... How long will this "show" take? Against 15 Black Dragons? No one except a tournament offline player would be interested in that. Let's rephrase the question. I want to gain experience for these 15 Black Dragons, at least for one hero. :)

Don't suggest trapping a hero in a small, enclosed area under flight and letting a harpy attack. :-D
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Why did I even get involved? I didn't understand the saves. Wanderer, please, reveal the secret - why did your Black Dragons start appearing in groups of three? Did you convert the saves from Equilibris?
You won't believe it, but some people don't use Whirlwinds at all. Only when absolutely necessary. Otherwise, they only use Equilibris.
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Triple dragons are harder to kill than quadruple dragons; there's nothing to debate here... I haven't used Whirlwind in a long time; if it duplicates or is in a single stack, then it's useless for a Life character... What is a "spot"? Strange question.
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CTPAHHuK;196173
...what is a "spot"? That's a strange question.

There's nothing strange about it – I'm new to the forum and don't really know the Heroes slang.

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You won't believe it, but some people don't use Whirlwind at all. Only when it's really, really necessary. Otherwise, they only use Equipping.

That's true.

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Well, here's where the approach is fundamentally different... How long will this "multitasking" take? Against 15 Chaos Devils? No one except a tournament offline player is interested in this. Let's put the question differently. I want to gain experience for these 15 Chaos Devils. At least for one hero. :)

Honestly, I don't see any other ways besides using a more or less leveled-up hero. :o
By the way, snurov_hl, did you read post 120 in this thread? What do you think about this method? It seems to work very effectively... even for online play.

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