Posts from The war in South Ossetia. Auto-translated

It's quite difficult to pull off such an operation, no matter what they say – they'll need ammunition from the Russian army. Where will they get it?

Here is an interesting essay... taken from here:

"Since many friends and acquaintances are puzzled:

1. what was it?

2. who was fighting?

3. who won?

I will try to answer briefly, my dears.

Anamnesis:

1. The first war of the fourth world war. Unlike the first two world wars - honest ones, on the battlefield, unlike the third world war - the Cold War, the fourth world war will consist of local wars. As always, Russia will participate in it.

2. The USA and Russia fought. The USA - through its allies in Georgia. Russia, as usual, through its allies in Abkhazia and South Ossetia + with its own forces. This is the key difference between the USA and Russia.

3. To understand who won, let's first understand the goals of the parties.

USA: 1. To test Russia "for strength" - whether it will risk entering a war with the American puppet.
2. If the Georgian invasion is successful, to discredit Russia in the Caucasus as a helpless country, if the invasion fails - to discredit Russia as an aggressor, if Russia occupies Georgia - to push Russia into the role of a "rogue state" and organize international isolation.
3. To support its Georgian puppet, demonstrate to it that an alliance with the USA is necessary and beneficial.

Georgia: 1. To regain control of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
2. To satisfy ambitions regarding Russia with a "victory".
3. If the invasion fails, to gain the image of an "innocent victim", a "small heroic country".

Abkhazia and South Ossetia: 1. To survive as de facto independent states.
2. If successful, to gain the status of de jure independent states or join Russia.

Russia: 1. To prove to the peoples of the Caucasus that Russia remains a strong state, pursuing its independent policy in the Caucasus.
2. To show the peoples of the Caucasus that Russia "does not abandon its own".
3. To practice tactics for fighting against American (de facto) equipment and army.
4. To restore the status quo in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
5. To demonstrate to Georgia and a number of other post-Soviet "countries" that it is no longer worth offending and provoking Russia.
6. To discredit the authorities of Georgia and their American advisors.
7. If successful, to gain the status of independent states for Abkhazia and South Ossetia or join Russia.
8. To check the real mood of the people, the level of patriotism, and if successful, to increase respect and trust in the authorities.

Note that the goals of Russia did not include and could not include the "occupation of Georgia" or its "annexation". Simply because WHY WOULD WE WANT IT? A poor, aggressive, hostile to Russia state, into which huge amounts of money will have to be invested, fighting with partisans - and all this against the backdrop of Russia's isolation on the world stage and serious economic problems. Everyone who is upset that our tanks did not reach Tbilisi should ask themselves: "why?" and "what then?"

It should also be noted that Russia had the most tasks in this war. This is both a plus and a minus at the same time.

Now let's see who got what.

Summary:

USA: Partially point 2 (there is condemnation of Russia in the world, but the clumsy and cruel actions of Georgia minimized it).
Partially point 3 (Georgia became convinced of the need for American help, but at the same time understood that this help will have clear limits - they will not fight for them).

Georgia: Partially point 3, due to the fact that Georgia acted as an aggressor and attacked a peaceful city. The reaction to this is ambiguous even among those who hate Russia.

Abkhazia and South Ossetia: Point 1 is fulfilled, point 2 has become slightly more likely.

Russia: 1-2-3-4 fulfilled completely. 5 with reservations - a number of countries (Ukraine in the first place) will even more actively strive for NATO. However, they were already very active. 6 - partially fulfilled (the war on the information front was not lost, but this is not our forte). 7 - partially fulfilled, 8 - fulfilled.

Now think for yourself who won and achieved their goals.

What conclusions should be drawn?

The war will happen. Moreover, it is already going on.

The USA has not and will not abandon plans to destroy Russia. The only obstacle to this is our army and navy. A strong army and navy are impossible for a poor country. A country that lives by selling resources cannot be strong - because it is easily ruined by an economic blockade. This, of course, is a double-edged sword, but...

The next stages of the Fourth World War should be expected in the coming years. Most likely, not in the Caucasus. How Russia will perform in it depends on the lessons we have learned and on how we will be able to take advantage of the insane adventure of Saakashvili.

We are not loved in the world and will not be loved. Just because "love" on the international stage is possible only on the basis of mutual benefit. Simply put, they love the strong or the rich, and even better - the strong and the rich. This must be clearly understood and not be complex about it.

In general, patriotism in Russia exists and remains the most important factor in the existence of our state. However, the "fifth column" also really exists. And the state must take into account that the internal enemy, who wants our defeat, is more dangerous than the external one. Everyone who, in one way or another, supported the position of Georgia, should quickly and clearly feel that they did it in vain.

Russia passed the first exam for survival. Whether it will pass the next ones will show in the coming years."

Another interesting piece of information - "Russia vs Georgia: War on the Internet":

Day 1
Day 2
Day 3
Day 4
Results

I also advise you to see what the website of the government of Georgia looks like now =)))

The guy writes really well:

http://3d-v-nature.com/2008/08/13/rossijjsko-gruzinskie-tjorki-3..html

It’s clear that past mistakes should have taught us something. And that’s exactly what happened this week. I think that the recent events in the Caucasus can only be described as a masterpiece of diplomacy and military tactics. This is a fundamentally new approach for Russia in its behavior and actions on the domestic and foreign policy arena. At the very least, this “operation” will be included in textbooks on political science and military strategy. Under a title like, for example, “When in Rome, do as the Romans do.” See for yourself. Georgia decided to storm its rebellious republic (de jure, of course). To do this, the day of the attack was deliberately chosen to coincide with the opening day of the Olympic Games. At first, I didn’t quite understand this, and I probably missed the Masonic numbers (although who knows). Why was this done deliberately? Apparently, this “forced day off” for the leaders of the world’s leading governments had been chosen long ago. Specifically, the fact that so many presidents were gathered in one place was important. The assumption was that, if the operation was successful (or partially successful), they would immediately gather and collectively put pressure on Medvedev (or Putin) to block or at least delay Russia’s response. During this time, the Georgian Armed Forces (according to the plans, within 24 hours) would occupy the entire republic, take control of the only main tunnel leading there, and then it would be impossible to penetrate into Ossetia by land, and we would only be left to curse, threaten, and withdraw from various treaties, etc. That was the plan. Most likely, it was Saakashvili’s creation. If it had been developed by NATO, they would certainly have prepared backup options, not to mention information support.
What actually happened? The blitzkrieg, for a number of reasons, failed and turned into a nightmarish, bloody massacre with the death of one and a half thousand civilians. CNN, without understanding anything, immediately filmed reports from the destroyed Tskhinvali and, in a hurry, without thinking, put them on the air under the general concept of “Russian aggression against Georgia.” The UN Security Council and NATO leadership, unable to process the entire flow of information, began demanding a ceasefire and the withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgia. Specifically, from Georgia. Because if it were about Ossetia, they would probably remember that they themselves had given us a mandate to be there as peacekeeping forces. There is clearly some confusion in the names of cities and republics. Churkin begins to explain to them, point by point, that there are no Russian troops in Georgia or Ossetia, but there are only five hundred peacekeepers, who were also shelled by neighboring peacekeepers. They frowned and probably still didn’t understand anything. McCain, a presidential candidate, deciding to promote himself once again, suddenly states that the UN should be convened, these Russian aggressors should be condemned, and NATO should be introduced there… Apparently, the father has completely lost his mind and doesn’t even know what he is talking about. After all, the UN has long been convened, and the introduction of the alliance into an independent state would mean the beginning of World War III. Bush, who is still at the Olympics, condemns us, but judging by his stupid face, he doesn’t even understand what he is condemning. Because his advisors don’t understand anything either. Medvedev speaks on television and says that, in accordance with the UN Charter, he is introducing an additional contingent to separate the parties. The UN Security Council, understanding the legitimacy of our actions in accordance with its own charter, in every way refuses to take anything, without prior consultations with the United States and the alliance leadership. Churkin at the UN and Rogozin at NATO headquarters create artificial hype around a resolution that no one needs. I think that the UN still doesn’t understand that we will only wipe our noses with this piece of paper, hehe. Time is working catastrophically in our favor. Our troops are introducing a strike group of the North Caucasian Military District into the republic and are systematically eliminating Saakashvili’s guard units (7,500 soldiers), having previously blocked them from all sides. You probably noticed that they don’t say a word about the return of the Ossetian group to their homeland (they are returning from the Kodori Gorge, but there are no soldiers visible from Ossetia). Most likely, they are simply no longer on the list of the living, and those who remained are in captivity. Understanding what kind of mess he has created, Saakashvili is looking for contacts with Russia, but our government officially states that it will not talk to him, due to his complete insanity. As for the document he signed with the French on the ceasefire (it was shown on television), let him stop bombing the “French,” respectively, hehe… The Abkhazians, meanwhile, strictly, but politely, offer to withdraw the second Georgian group from the Kodori Gorge, again in accordance with the UN Charter (may it be damned). But the Georgian Ministry of Defense probably thought that this could wait. Moreover, the Russians are unlikely to dare to introduce troops there. They were wrong. They definitely did not take into account the fact that there are still unemployed veterans of the former Basaev’s “Abkhaz battalion” sitting in Chechnya. They missed the familiar places. It is possible that some of them, pretending to be native Abkhazians, are now actively dealing with the second Georgian group, as we can see, no less successfully. Saakashvili’s nerves are completely giving out, and he begins to shit himself in public. I hope you saw the episode with the bodyguards and running away from some danger. Having bombed military targets in Georgia, without harming a single local resident, our troops announce the end of the operation and the withdrawal of all troops from the republic. They say that in Abkhazia, let the Abkhazians deal with it themselves, and we will just watch and provide moral and technical assistance, if necessary. Now, a Russian legal group is actively working throughout the region to collect materials on the fact of war crimes by the Georgian leadership. They are opening criminal cases, interviewing witnesses, documenting everything, etc. I think this is not done just for show. Most likely, this material will soon be collected and transferred to the Hague Tribunal. Let’s not forget that our new president is a lawyer, and there will be no questions in this area. And here, Western human rights activists, as well as military-political circles, will face a situation called a “fork” in chess. Either they leave everything as it is and thereby confirm their bias, or they throw Saakashvili together with the government to the wolves. Of course, the first option will be chosen, because they are not used to giving up their scoundrels. In response, Russia will demonstratively bow and will continue to act within the framework of its own, and not the American, legal field. This means the legal justification for the annexation of two republics to Russia. And that’s what we wanted to prove. As a result, the pro-American Georgian regime has lost:
1. Authority in the world community and within the country.
2. The best parts of its army, along with expensive (American) weapons.
3. Hopes for the restoration of the country’s territorial integrity.
4. Hopes for joining NATO.
5. Any political prospects.

What have we gained:
1. We did not get involved in a war with the friendly Georgian people.
2. We have actually annexed two new republics to our country.
3. We have thwarted all of NATO’s plans in the region.
4. We have raised our authority in the international community, and as a country that knows how to fight skillfully on all fronts - diplomatic, political, and, of course, military.
5. We have shown our people and the whole world what NATO, the UN, and soon the Hague Tribunal really are.

Hello…

I request that the moderators close this thread, as it incites conflicts based on national identity, and furthermore, this is not a place for pseudo-patriotic slogans; instead, it should be a place for objective discussions about this war. Although, one can only judge the beginning of the war after it ends.

The war (combat operations) is over (at least for now), so the topic can be closed.
P.S. If anyone else wants to express their opinion on this, the chat, quick message, or email are at your service.