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Andagor

18 years ago

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Here's what I think about the ultimate goal of the Necromancers: They serve the goddess of death, Askha. And she, in turn, uses everything for good because she doesn't perceive time. She doesn't strive, in any case, to kill anyone for evil... they simply understand that everyone will eventually face the Lady Ashka. This reminds me a lot of the followers of Lim-Kargma from R. Feist's books. They serve death and don't bother anyone. But, of course, they destroy obstacles. Moreover, necromancers know a ritual that sends a person painlessly directly to the goddess of death. That's it.

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Mdance

18 years ago

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Dracon Mallasa;174644

It's not a given that the bonus weakens significantly; you can cast "Berserk" on their army, and raise your own undead with "Raise Dead," so playing against Necromancers is always challenging.

Hmm... Do you even understand what you're saying? The conversation was about the Necromancy bonus, not about spells. So, here's a well-known fact:
The longer the game lasts, the smaller the final bonus from Necromancy.
If you need to, I can provide numbers, if you don't want to calculate them yourself.

Andagor

18 years ago

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Dear Necromancers, here's what I found:
"For many hundreds of years, necromancers have traveled the world, destroying undead and creatures of Chaos. Often at the cost of their own lives. Necromancers could destroy the plague, but they couldn't leave afterward. They provided protection to people who feared and hated them. For some strange reason, two different, blind Forces, Darkness and Chaos, turned out to be surprisingly similar in their principles. Only Darkness led to balance, while Chaos led to destruction. And foolish people pass on "terrible truths" about necromancers from mouth to mouth, inciting their hatred towards them. Many necromancers died, falling into the hands of a mob that gathered to deal with "Evil." Even the Great Head of the necromancers didn't understand why they were so hated. Necromancers use the forces of Darkness only because they turned out to be the most effective in the war against the creatures of chaos." Author: Ksarn
And remember, "Ashra turns everything to good."

Alexxxok

18 years ago

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Question. I don't know where to ask this. Death Knights have a chance to deal a deadly blow and kill half of the unit. If you apply Vampirism to them, how much HP will they be able to restore? Will the damage dealt be calculated together with the deadly blow ability, or in some other way? If this works, even a small group becomes incredibly powerful. Thank you in advance. :smile13:

kB@c

18 years ago

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Vampirism depends on the damage dealt. If knights deal a significant amount of damage when executing a fatal blow, they will drain a lot of health.

Майор Вихрь

18 years ago

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I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but at the beginning, summoning combined with fire warriors is very effective for Necropolis. I decided to play as this faction... I immediately noticed this perk. And the most interesting thing is that the AI often refuses to pay any attention to fire elementals. While the vampires stand in the corner, they are slowly resurrected from the enemies, and the elementals shoot them down. In the worst case, the hero uses the "Raise Dead" spell. Then, by the way, more vampires will be raised in one attack, but also more will die. Unprovoked attacks play an important role.

Alexxxok, that's an interesting question. Most likely, vampirism works, but I'm not sure. I'll try to check it as soon as possible. It's just that death knights and the "Vampirism" spell are not always in the army at the same time.

Loken

18 years ago

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"For many hundreds of years, Necromancers have traveled the world, destroying the undead, the spawn of Chaos. Often at the cost of their own lives. Necromancers managed to destroy the plague, but they could not leave afterward. They provided protection to people who feared and hated them. For some strange reason, two different blind Forces, Darkness and Chaos, turned out to be surprisingly similar in their principles. Only Darkness led to balance, while Chaos led to destruction. And foolish people pass on "terrible truths" about Necromancers from mouth to mouth, fueling their hatred for them. Many Necromancers died at the hands of a mob that gathered to end the "Evil." Even the Great Head of the Necromancers did not understand why they were so hated. Necromancers use the forces of Darkness only because they turned out to be the most effective in the war against the creatures of chaos."
And remember, "Asra turns everything to good."

Yeah, a Necromancer is actually a very kind person who brings Light and Justice to people. Vampires kill people, ghouls and zombies tear apart and devour the unfortunate, and bloated, reanimated corpses – chunks of stench and decay – have a rich inner world. And there's a lot of wisdom here. Oh yes, magically reanimated dead are balance, it's natural and intended by nature, right?
We will all die someday, won't we? So why postpone the inevitable? Let's kill more people, and then we'll open ourselves up. Because Asra turns everything to good.
Am I right?

Dracon Малласа

18 years ago

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Question. I don't know where to ask it. Death Knights have a chance to deal a deadly blow and kill half of the unit. If you apply Vampirism to them, how much HP will they be able to restore? Will the damage dealt be calculated together with the Deadly Blow ability, or in some other way? If this works, even a small group would be incredibly powerful. Thank you in advance.

Most likely not, because the Deadly Blow ability acts like a spell, and Vampirism cannot be applied to a spell. In my opinion, it won't work, and otherwise, it would be as absurd as applying Vampirism to Water Elementals, and they would resurrect themselves with an Ice Wall. Well, maybe I'm wrong.

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Yeah, a Necromancer is actually a very kind person who brings Light and Justice to people. Vampires kill people, ghouls and zombies tear apart and devour the unfortunate, and bloated, reanimated corpses – chunks of stench and decay – have a rich inner world. And there's a lot of wisdom here. Oh yes, magically reanimated undead are balance, it's natural and intended by nature, right?
We will all die someday, won't we? So why postpone the inevitable? Let's kill more people, and then we'll open ourselves up. Because Asha turns everything into good.
Am I right?

Well, some of the undead really do have a rich inner world. Besides, not all undead, or those who were humans, became vampires and ghouls of their own free will; the books describe cases and examples where this was against their will. But Asha really does turn everything into good (with God's help, of course)

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kB@c

18 years ago

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Major Whirlwind; 181858

And the most interesting thing is that the computer often refuses to pay any attention to fire elementals.

The computer never pays attention to summoned creatures, whether it's Inferno gates, elementals, or phoenixes – complete disregard. It seems to attack only when the summoned creatures block it from all sides, i.e., there is no way out, or sometimes, when it cannot reach the regular warriors, it attacks the summoned creatures.

Майор Вихрь

18 years ago

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kB@c

It seems he only attacks when his summoned creatures block him from all sides, meaning there is no escape, or sometimes when he cannot reach the regular units, he attacks the summoned ones.

Regarding the first point – yes, if there is no escape. But if he doesn't have the opportunity to reach a non-summoned stack, but he does have the opportunity to attack it, the AI will move closer, but it won't attack the summoned creatures. If he has no opportunity to attack non-summoned units at all, then he will attack the summoned ones. Sometimes, this can be very advantageous.

Майор Вихрь

18 years ago

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I recently played with Lucretia. And then I had an idea: for long games, the combination of this heroine, vampires, the Vampirism spell, and, if possible, Luck, looks very good. As a result, vampires under the effect of Vampirism will resurrect about 150% of the damage dealt, and they will deal very high damage, thanks to the heroine's bonus and Luck, thus becoming a very dangerous, if not the most dangerous, unit in your army. It's also great to combine Altvampires with Soldier's Luck, which is obvious. With their first attack on some weakly defended enemy, they put it to sleep. Then, dealing maximum damage, they are resurrected in large numbers. This is, of course, an ideal scenario, but it can definitely happen.

Dracon Малласа

18 years ago

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Regarding vampirism, there's a question. If a creature under the effect of vampirism is destroyed, and then resurrected using a spell that raises the dead, will the vampirism persist?

Майор Вихрь

18 years ago

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Vampirism belongs to the type of "blessing" spells, and like curses, they disappear after being removed from the stack. As far as I know :)

Loken

18 years ago

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vampires under vampirism)))))
does magic with a penalty stack?

Майор Вихрь

18 years ago

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Yes, the description states that the spell's effect stacks with any "vampirism" abilities (or whatever they're called, "drain"?). However, there's only one such creature in the game. And only one ability as well.

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