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18 years ago
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Watched Rubin-Dynamo, but only the first half, and then I stopped watching because it became clear that Dynamo had no chance. I was right when I found out the final score was 2:0. CS lost 0:1 to Khimki, and on the website, they are increasingly saying that the game was deliberately lost. The game itself wasn't shown, and you can't judge a match based on the radio broadcast. It's regrettable, but it's a fact - they lost.
18 years ago
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Don't you think that we have a new champion in our country?
http://football.sport-express.ru/russia/premier/2008/

Rubin's lead is simply enormous for the 7th round. And it's not just about the points. In terms of gameplay, Rubin won against Lokomotiv, Zenit, and now Dynamo, and they deserved those wins.
And the gap will only increase, at least until the Euro 2008. There are simply no contenders. Zenit is only focused on the UEFA Cup, and forcing their form will still backfire on the St. Petersburg team. CSKA is completely unconvincing; it's hard to believe that this team was tearing everyone apart a couple of years ago. Spartak is generally incomprehensible; they seemed to be preparing for the First Channel Cup and the match against Marseille, but they failed, and they are also failing in the championship.
Dynamo, Lokomotiv, and Amkar lost cleanly to Rubin in their head-to-head matches; they don't have such a well-coordinated game. In general, I'll remember 1995, when Alania had a similar machine that dominated everyone in the first half of the championship, and in the second half, their point advantage was enough for the championship. Let's see what happens this time.
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18 years ago
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Yes, Rubin's start is impressive. It's a pity that there hasn't been a chance to watch his game yet to assess it. To be honest, I was hoping that Dynamo would put up a fight. In general, before the season, I thought that Dynamo would become the champion this year, but now it will be very difficult for them to catch up with Rubin.
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18 years ago
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Does anyone really believe that Rubin will become the champion???? I don't believe he'll even be in the top three! The distance is too long...
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18 years ago
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As always, you count your chickens in the fall. Making predictions is a thankless task. But Rubin is something special this season. They are truly a winning machine.
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18 years ago
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Does anyone really believe that Rubin will become a champion???? I don't think they will even be in the top three! The distance is too long...
So, is the championship automatically awarded for past achievements? How exactly does the Big Four demonstrate this season that it deserves prize places? Of course, it would be nice to give all clubs permanent spots, but in reality, you have to earn the title every year. Or lose it.

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And especially for one of our favorite moderators who deleted my previous post in this thread – I will repeat the post, and if it is deleted again, I will keep repeating it until I receive an answer from the person the post was addressed to.

Dear BotINKi, although I have never raised the issue on the forum about why my BD was increased or decreased, now I think it is necessary to make an exception. I would very much like to hear from you what caused your dissatisfaction with this post. If, in the case of the decrease here, I can somehow explain your position, then regarding the first post, it would be good to hear what caused your outrage.[/OFFTOPIC]
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18 years ago
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So, is the championship automatically awarded based on past achievements? How is the "Big Four" demonstrating in this season that they deserve the top spots? Of course, it would be nice to give all the clubs permanent places, but in reality, you have to earn the title every year. Or lose it.
In my opinion, the so-called "Big Four" isn't taking the matches too seriously right now, but closer to the end, the attitude will change, and along with it, the situation in the standings.
It's like a long-distance race. If you run 4-5 km, and someone sprints hard in the first few meters and quickly takes the lead, what is the probability that they will finish first?

P.S.: No offense to Rubin fans!
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18 years ago
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In my opinion, the so-called "big four" aren't taking the matches too seriously right now, but their attitude will change closer to the end, and along with that, the situation in the tournament table will change.
It's like a long-distance race. If you run 4-5 km, and someone sprints with all their might in the first few meters and quickly takes the lead, what is the probability that they will finish first?

P.S.: No offense to Rubin fans!
Let's see, let's see! After the 2006 season, Lokomotiv was, shall we say, dissatisfied with bronze. And what happened to them after the 2007 season?
If the "big four" break away, that's great; it will be even more interesting!:smile12:
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18 years ago
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And especially for one of our favorite moderators who deleted my previous post in this thread – I will repeat the post, and if it is deleted again, I will keep repeating it until I receive an answer from the person the post is addressed to.

First of all: I am not a moderator!
Secondly: I'm repeating this for the umpteenth time... All personal problems, conflicts, grievances, and the like should be resolved privately, but not in the thread!
The thread is called "Football Discussion," not "Why was my Battle Rating lowered/raised!" Such questions can be resolved in PMs or on the forum!
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18 years ago
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Oh, I see that someone tried very emotionally to "open my eyes" to the penalty situation in the Bayern - Zenit match. If we set aside the emotional aspect, the essence boils down to the fact that the referee should have classified the situation as dangerous play from both sides and awarded a free kick to Zenit. First, let's define in which cases the right to take a free kick is granted. Free Kick The right to take a free kick is granted to the opposing team if the goalkeeper, while within their penalty area, commits any of the following five offenses: takes more than four steps while controlling the ball with their hands before releasing it; touches the ball with their hands again after releasing it, but the ball does not touch any other player; touches the ball with their hands after a teammate intentionally passes it to them; touches the ball with their hands after receiving it directly from a throw-in by a teammate; deliberately wastes time. A free kick is also awarded if a player, in the referee's opinion: - plays dangerously; - blocks the opponent's progress; - prevents the goalkeeper from releasing the ball; - commits any other offense not mentioned above, for which the game is stopped to issue a warning or send the player off the field. The free kick is taken from the spot where the foul occurred. According to FIFA's current methodological guidelines, a high leg is considered dangerous play if there is an opponent's player within a meter of that player, moving towards the ball. I'm writing the wording from memory; if anyone is interested in the exact wording, the internet is at your service. If, with a strong desire, the Bayern player's action can still be classified as dangerous, then the Zenit defender's action falls under several parameters that constitute offenses punishable by a free kick (and since it happened in the penalty area, it's a penalty). In the future, I will simply ignore opponents with arguments at the level of "you're just an idiot." Regarding Rubin's leadership, they deserve it and are playing at the appropriate level. But the championship is a long-distance race, not a sprint. The 7th round is still too early to talk about the championship or a prize-winning place. "We'll count the chickens in the fall." P.S. By the way, no one paid attention to the fact that in the Liverpool-Chelsea match, literally ten seconds before the goal against Chelsea, a Liverpool player, while taking a free kick, kicked a rolling ball. Added after 13 minutes And one more thing. If the referee was biased against Zenit, nothing would have prevented him from awarding another penalty in the episode when the ball hit Tymoshchuk's hand, citing "handball" and referring to the "unnatural" position of Tolik's hand at the moment of contact with the ball.
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18 years ago
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I want to apologize in advance for my harshness...
So, Shogun – he was the one who started it, a Bavarian... according to your rules, it was a free kick... and what happened next is irrelevant, because he deserved the whistle... if he hadn't put his foot there, Rijsen wouldn't have scored that "penalty"...
Arshavin got a yellow card... yes, it was perfectly normal... just great :)

Rubin – they haven't quite adjusted to playing against a team of four annoying players yet; their preparation is good... but they might still cause trouble when they get used to the game... the only thing that worries me is that the championship is divided into two parts, and they won't get tired; on the contrary, they will have time to prepare for the second part...

P.S. Slonysh, I think you were writing to me... write to me in private messages, or here - 364072590.
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18 years ago
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I want to apologize right away for my hot temper...

I forgive you. I'm not without sin myself.
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So, Shogun – the Bavarian was the first to foul... according to your rules, it was a free kick – and what happened next doesn't matter, because there was a reason to whistle... if he hadn't fouled, Ricken wouldn't have scored "from the penalty spot"...

The act of raising a leg high in itself doesn't necessarily equal dangerous play. The referee calls a free kick if such play poses a danger to a player on the opposing team.
I believe there was no danger to the defender (he was clearly more than a meter away from the ball). You believe there was.
But the rules state "in the referee's opinion," not "in the opinion of the fans."
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Arshavin gets a yellow card... yes, that's perfectly normal... super simple :)

Here's a counter-question. Why did Arshavin attack the defender from behind, targeting his legs, on the opponent's half of the field? One could argue that he didn't kick him in the legs but simply crossed his path, but the referee doesn't have a replay (personally, I only saw it after the replay).

By the way, it's hard to accuse me of having sympathy for Bayern:D

I'm a long-time fan of Dynamo Kyiv and the Ukrainian national team.
1. Like most Dynamo Kyiv fans of my generation, I've been a fan of Zenit since Soviet times.
2. As a fan of the Ukrainian national team, I worry about Tolya Tymoshchuk and wish him to lift the UEFA Cup.
3. I remember the 1998-1999 league very well. :smile10:

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Rubin – they don't seem to be as focused on the team as they are on the "four irritants," the preparation is good... but they could still get into the mix when they improve their game... the only thing that worries me is that the championship is divided into two parts, and they won't get tired, but instead will have time to prepare for the second part...

This is a double-edged situation. A good example.
In the Ukrainian championship, Dnipro was in first place after the first round. After the break, they collapsed so badly that they will most likely finish the championship in 4th place.

This is a question for the moderators or coordinators. In theory, messages in this section, and in this topic in particular, should not increase the message counter. However, I noticed that this is not the case:eek:.
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18 years ago
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MU in the final!

Scholes has led his team to the final. In the two-legged tie between MU and Barcelona, everything was decided by a goal from the English veteran Paul Scholes.

"Now it's the opponent's turn to think about goals," was the sentiment coming from the Catalan camp before the Champions League return semi-final against MU. The Catalans were hinting that their first goal against Van der Sar would force the English side to score twice. However, they seemingly failed to realize that things could go completely differently and they might concede right at the start.

Looking at the lineups - one substitution in each of the opposing teams. For Barca, Marques, who missed the match due to accumulated cards, was replaced by the Blaugrana captain Carles Puyol, while for the Red Devils, Rooney, injured in the league match against Chelsea, was unable to take the field - Nani, the Portuguese player, appeared in his place. Vidic, who had been announced by Ferguson, also did not play, leaving Brown in the center of defense and Hargreaves on the right flank.

Rijkaard intended to breach MU's goal with an opening onslaught - at the start of the match, the Catalans pinned the English side deep in their own half and for about 5 minutes showed no intention of letting them out. As early as the 50th second, Messi almost won a penalty in a struggle with Scholes, but he fell about a meter from the penalty area line closer to the right flank. The set-piece did not succeed - Leo hit the wall, and Xavi's cross was inaccurate.

The visitors combined frequently and for long periods near the Mancunians' goal, but it never quite came to a shot on target. The ball control, of course, was absolutely stunning - in one episode, the Barca players held it for about 2 minutes, and then Deco suddenly launched Messi into a breakthrough, but hit the ball far too hard.

And MU opened the scoring in what was essentially their second attack. The goal came from nowhere - Ronaldo was moving from the left flank toward the penalty area but lost the ball to Zambrotta, who for some reason decided to roll it into the center instead of to the flank or back. As a result - Scholes picked it up and unleashed a devastating strike from 25 meters into the far top corner! How many such goals has Scholesy scored in his career! But this one is one of the most important.

And what dangerous chances the teams exchanged 5 minutes later! First, Messi outran Scholes and Brown at immense speed and fired into the far corner - Van der Sar saved it! In the counter-attack, Ronaldo from the left edge of the area squared it for Park, and the Korean hit a precise low shot - centimeters from the post.

The Catalans began to surprise with childish mistakes in defense. As if following Zambrotta's example, Toure gave the ball to Nani, and with Park's involvement, the Portuguese player passed it to Scholes, but this time the defenders prevented Paul from shooting.

At this point, Manchester's momentum faded, and the Catalans regained the initiative. Deco, who had failed in the first meeting, was active - within two minutes, he shot twice at Van der Sar's goal, but missed slightly both times.

It must be noted that the Dutch goalkeeper almost suffered an injury from his own teammate. Wes Brown managed to hit Edwin in the head quite hard a couple of times, and after the second episode, Van der Sar even needed medical assistance. Fortunately for Ferguson, the team, and the Red Devils fans, everything turned out fine.

Towards the end of the half, Nani could have settled all questions, but while finishing Park's cross from the left flank, he sent the ball just wide of the post. Rijkaard was given 15 minutes to somehow influence his charges.

But the Barca players didn't start well - only a desperate tackle by Eric Abidal prevented Nani from putting the ball into Valdes' goal in the 53rd minute. Immediately after, Ronaldo and Tevez played a classic one-two, resulting in the Argentine breaking into an excellent position for a shot. He took advantage of it, but not very successfully - the ball went straight to the visitors' goalkeeper.

Just as Rijkaard's men managed to establish some sort of ball control - Deco even attempted a shot, but hit Brown - MU almost scored again. Ronaldo and Nani, the explosive compatriots, broke away toward Valdes' goal, but Luis stumbled and sent the ball high over the crossbar.

The Catalans' coach finally decided to throw Thierry Henry into the battle, but strangely enough, the former terror of Old Trafford only stood out in two moments - a curling shot into Van der Sar's arms and an inaccurate pass to Valdes, after which the ball went out for a corner.

Then all reserves were used - both Krkic and Gudjohnsen, but even this didn't help. Barcelona didn't even really mount a final assault! Just some awkward, mindless attempts that could barely be called attacks. MU, in turn, also forgetting about attacking, defended calmly until the final whistle. The only reason for disappointment was the injury to Evra, who collided with Ronaldo and Deco and left the field on a stretcher.

Tomorrow we will find out Ferguson's team's opponent for the English final, and today we can sympathize with Frank Rijkaard - a failure in La Liga and being knocked out one step before the deciding match of the Champions League could put a cross through his career as the manager of the Blaugranas.

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18 years ago
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MU in the final!

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Hmm... and not a word about the incident in Manchester United's penalty area in the middle of the second half. I won't comment until I rewatch it in the evening.

Although, I'm actually happy. Half of my express bets have won. Now it's up to Liverpool.

And there's also the question for Rijkaard - why did he bring on Henry so late, the only one who had a chance in the air?
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18 years ago
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Finally, MU made it to the final, Scholes is younger, and it was a beautiful shot!
Let's see who MU's opponent will be; I personally bet on Liverpool, although it will most likely be Chelsea!

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