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Listen, Alex (do you mind if I call you that?), all this is certainly interesting regarding the limitations of the Jedi and the versatility of the Sith, but you still haven't answered about mercy and compassion. I'm not very interested in the fact of why they don't exist; for me, the fact of their absence is important, and this cannot be justified by anything. You say that the Jedi do what they are ordered to do, okay, but let's assume a teacher asked his student to do something, and if he only tries to fail, he will die; they constantly kill each other. You said that this is not exactly a custom, but considering their ideology (the Sith in the tomb from Kotor 1), which considers "everything for me!" as the primary principle, I don't see the point in having students, given the deadly risk involved.
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Exactly, your teacher should be a friend, not an object that you are deathly afraid of and dream of killing... and in general, it seems to me that a Sith cannot love, because he puts himself and power first. Yes, and in KOTOR, Malak somehow uses his students either foolishly or intentionally. For example, Darth Bandon, who is he? Essentially, their hierarchy is like this: Darth Revan | Darth Malak | Darth Bandon Does he really think that his student will be able to defeat his teacher? The same goes for Bastila; he sees that she is afraid to fight Revan, he knows that she will lose, and yet he still forces her to. P.S. Look at me, I fight for the light, I help everyone, but I couldn't resist Bastila's charm: D, but that doesn't mean that the Jedi Council will chop off my head for it... Here is an example for you.

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P.S. Look at me, I fight for the light, I help everyone, but I couldn't resist Bastila's charm. But that doesn't mean the Jedi Council will behead me for it...
They won't behead you, but they might expel you from the Jedi Order. The Sith, however, kill for violating their own rules.
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No, I'm 100% sure they won't kick me out. If they accept those who were on Darkside, then what's the problem with a Jedi who's just in love?

P.S. I think here, we're all for "Haven".

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Siverfale;172547
Listen, Alex (do you mind if I call you that?), all this is certainly interesting regarding the limitations of the Jedi and the versatility of the Sith, but you still haven't answered about mercy and compassion. I'm not very interested in the fact of why they don't exist; for me, the very fact of their absence is important, and this cannot be justified by anything.
(of course:) )Why... there are definitely moments of mercy among the Sith... KOTOR 2 again... an irrefutable proof... Darth Nihilus... spared the last representative of the Mirialan species, whose planet he destroyed... It's too long to remember everything specifically, but the fact is that it exists... no matter how selfish the Sith are, they also have some moral values... Also, the way Kreia, Darth Sion, acts is very clearly expressed... they are not the cruelest representatives despite their appearance and affiliation... they are people... suffering... consumed by various feelings...
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You say that the Jedi do what they are told, okay, but let's say a teacher asked his student to do something, and if he fails, he will die; they constantly kill each other. You said that this is not exactly a custom, but considering their ideology (the Sith in the tomb from KOTOR 1), which considers "everything for me!" as the primary principle, I don't see the point in having students, given the deadly risk.
Why... the Sith may be evil, but they are not beasts... they will understand... And the fact that students are constantly trying to kill each other - this was not the case in the past, and now it is not a rule, as I said, but an exception... it's all about misunderstanding... but every Sith Lord wants to be remembered forever through their followers... you can train for this...
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P.S. look at me, I fight for the light, I help everyone, but, for example, I couldn't resist Bastila's charm :D, but this doesn't mean that the Jedi Council will chop off my head for it...
Here is an example for you.
They will, and how! They will send you into exile for disobeying the wisdom of the council... effectively depriving you of all the rights and privileges of a Jedi... and your lightsaber too...
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No, I am 100% sure that they will not expel me. If they accept those who were on the Dark Side, what about a Jedi who is just in love?
From the Mandalorian Wars, only one Jedi returned to the Order - the main character of the second part - he was expelled and everything was taken away from him
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After the Mandalorian Wars, only one Jedi returned from the order – the main character of the game – he was exiled and stripped of everything.
But why immediately after the Mandalorian Wars?:).
Here are some examples from the game:
Juhani, one of the Sith Academy members (I don't remember her name)...

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Why immediately with the Mandalorian Wars?:).
Here are some examples from the game:
Juhani, one of the Sith Academy members (I don't remember his name)...
I have corrected it... regarding the second part.
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Why... there are definitely moments of mercy among the Sith... KOTOR 2, again, is undeniable proof... Darth Nihilus... spared the last representative of the Mirialan species, whose planet he destroyed...
A funny argument, considering that when destroying a planet with billions of inhabitants, he spared ONE. That's the height of mercy. I haven't played KOTOR 2, but if you say there are interesting conversations with companions, then I recognize the hand of a master:)
Why - the Sith may be evil, but they are not beasts... they will understand...
-"If you order your old and loyal servant to carry out a task and he fails, will you spare him?" - Uthar Wynn
-Yes - Hero of KOTOR 1
-And thereby show your weakness! Go, you don't understand the Sith Code!"
And also, about love:
-"Is it true that love is the worst thing?" - Uthar
-Yes - Hero of KOTOR 1
-That's not true! Mercy is worse than love (implying that love is slightly better than mercy).
The Sith, in my opinion, recognize not love, but passion, and these are by no means the same thing. Love can prevent a person from achieving power, which is the Sith's top priority, while love implies that the number one goal is oneself, and not something else.
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That's an interesting point. When destroying a planet with billions of inhabitants, he spared only ONE. That's the height of mercy. I haven't played Kotor 2, but if you say there are interesting conversations with companions, then I recognize the hand of a master:)

-"If you order your old and faithful servant to carry out a task and he fails, will you spare him?" - Uthar Wynn
-Yes - The protagonist of Kotor 1
-And in doing so, you will show your weakness! Go, you don't understand the Sith Code!"
And also, about love:
-"Is it true that love is the worst thing?" - Uthar
-Yes - The protagonist of Kotor 1
-That is not true! Mercy is worse than love (it implies that love is slightly better than mercy).
In my opinion, the Sith don't recognize love, but passion, and these are not the same thing. Love can prevent a person from achieving power, which is the Sith's top priority, while love implies that the number one goal is oneself, and not something else.
Kotor 2 - I can't think of any more comments for now... But if you listen to everything, the game is really full of wisdom that will last for several generations
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After playing as the Dark Side, I started feeling the urge to kill everyone:). On one hand, you feel powerful and invincible, but on the other hand, it's a pity to rob and kill innocent people... This is a big blow to my "inner light"... Alex, put this sigil in your signature: It will be cool... :D.

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For the non-believers: Sith Philosophy Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to power. Power leads to victory. Let your fear flow through you. Your hate will make you strong. True power is achieved only through testing the limits of your anger, without resistance. Rage flows through anger without slowing down. The dark side of the Force holds incredible power. The dark side is stronger than the light. The weak are doomed. Sith Code Peace is a lie, there is only passion; Through passion, I gain strength; Through strength, I gain power; Through power, I gain victory; Through victory, my chains are broken; The Force shall free me.

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I'll post some screenshots of another one of my victories over Malak:o... this time, I played entirely as the Dark side...:D
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I'll post some screenshots of another one of my victories over Malak:o... this time I played entirely as the Dark Side...:D
Dark Side rules!!!:D
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Indeed, it’s easier to play as her. ;)
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Indeed, it's easier to play as her ;) :D
Dark Side is more interesting... because I'm tired of the Jedi archetype that we've been told and shown about a hundred times.
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The Dark Side is more interesting... because I'm tired of the Jedi way, which they've told us about and shown us a hundred times.
IMHO, both are equally interesting (no one has shown me anything).
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