Which monster do you like the most in Heroes 5 (level 4)? — General

Arandor

4/11/2008 8:39 AM UTC

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Are these weak Lizards?:eek: What does weak mean? Find another level 4 creature with 60 health, 7-14 damage, 10 attack, 9 defense, 8 speed, and 11 initiative!:smile54:
The other creatures have almost twice as low stats!! And if you take the charge attack! Then no one will last long!:D Also, the rider bites attacked enemies on adjacent squares! :D And who is weak? They do have low growth, but in terms of stats, the Lizards are closer to level 5 than level 4!! And whether 4 or 5 is better is not even a question!!! :smile54: :) :smile54:

Only Battle Griffons can compete with them, but they are weaker!:D

Weak, meaning they die quickly)) and defense doesn't scale well for the Elves, so...

Nazg, I also took Griffons along with the hero's defense) for Humans, this is one of the main skills, and by the end of the game, it is well developed... and if you also take skills + artifacts, it's even better :P

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Amko

4/11/2008 9:24 AM UTC

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P_U;168628

I'll give my voice,
Only to demonesses!
They sit there, bored,
And without coffee! Without espresso!

A true talent! ^_^ I prefer seductresses; seduction can turn the tide of battle.

weak, meaning they die quickly)) and defense doesn't level up well for them, so...

And is it difficult to level up the Defense skill? The chance is only 2%, but in principle, it can be done;). And Battle to the Last also works wonders.

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_Prizrak_

4/11/2008 9:30 AM UTC

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Temptresses are appealing; seduction can change the course of battle.

I disagree; Chain Lightning is better than Temptation. I proved this somewhere in the Demons thread.

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Amko

4/11/2008 9:54 AM UTC

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_Prizrak_;168684

I disagree, Chain Lightning is better than Temptation. I proved this somewhere in the Demons thread.

Post the link :) What's the point of this Chain Lightning? In the end, the damage is less than double... but the ability to apply Subdue an extra time, without losing the target's initiative, is more appealing to me.

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_Prizrak_

4/11/2008 10:30 AM UTC

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Don't really feel like searching... but if I come across it, I definitely will. One of the arguments: you can't interrupt the spell until the duration ends; during this time, the demonesses just stand there and do nothing. And if you need to quickly attack... it's better to use a chain spell for the final attack, and to break through, it's better to split the demonesses into two stacks and use the "Entice" spell. Even though the duration will be short, at least the other stack will be able to attack.

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Майор Вихрь

4/11/2008 10:50 AM UTC

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I don't really want to look for it... But if I come across it, I definitely will... One of the arguments: you can't get rid of it until the duration runs out; during this time, the demonesses just stand there and do nothing. And if you need to shoot urgently... It's better to use a chain spell in the final stages, and to break through, it's better to split the demonesses into 2 stacks and use the "Tempt" spell. Even if the duration will be short, at least the other stack will be able to attack.

You won't be able to deal much damage with the "Tempt" spell on demonesses. Their initiative is not that small, but it's not that big either. It's like you're damaging yourself while damaging them... And what will the "Tempt" spell do? It completely disables the enemy stack for a certain number of turns and forces it to attack its own. And the hero may also have the "Subdue" skill. And the "Tempt" spell users themselves can subdue stacks 4 times stronger than themselves. Even if it's only for 1 turn, it's still something. Therefore, I don't agree with you. And I'm not even sure that the attack will go to them first. It's possible, of course, especially if you subdue a strong unit, but demons have many other dangerous creatures.

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Our people drift and die,
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The swords of scorn divide,
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_Prizrak_

4/11/2008 5:58 PM UTC

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Don't forget that they respond to the attack... The ability disappears... I'm just on my phone, so I'll answer everything when I get to my computer...

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Аренгар

4/11/2008 6:41 PM UTC

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Arandor;168663

weak, meaning they die quickly)) and defense doesn't level up well for the TE, so...

The TE's main skills are attack and magic, so attack is used to overcome your high defense. And is it really that high for a Knight? For whom, when passing each cell, the target's defense decreases :) (the opposite effect of your Paladins). And in terms of other characteristics, the Knights are the best!:) :smile54:

Arandor;168663

Nazg, I also took griffins along with the hero's defense) for humans, this is one of the main skills, and by the end of the game, it levels up well... and if you also take skills + artifacts, it's even better :P

As I already said, the TE's main skills are attack and magic.
And any hero can use artifacts and skills!:)

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Майор Вихрь

4/12/2008 7:53 AM UTC

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_Prizrak_;168802

We shouldn't forget that they respond to attacks... The ability disappears... I'm just on my phone, so I'll answer everything when I get to my computer...

I'm not trying to prove that Temptresses are better than Demonesses, and I never have. The choice of which unit to upgrade depends on many circumstances, as their purpose is quite different. And Demons themselves can perfectly manage without ranged units; just give them tactics and/or +1 to speed, and most of the army will reach the target. I'm just trying to prove that Temptresses are a very good upgrade, which, sometimes, can even bring more benefit than Demonesses. But in some situations, the hypnosis of Temptresses makes them a very attractive target, just like Elven Archers, area-of-effect spells from Warlocks, dark magic, etc. In these cases, Demonesses might bring more benefit. Although, it's not a given that the opponent will choose Temptresses specifically, as there are other options :)

O God of Earth and Altar,
Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.

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Нэйко

4/12/2008 10:13 AM UTC

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I can't help but agree with Ghost; I really like the Demonesses (except when there are only armies of demons around, or if they are among other races), but I also agree with Nazgûl and Major Vortex because the Succubus also has a significant advantage; I've won a few times thanks to them.:smile54:

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Legolas2301

4/12/2008 10:31 AM UTC

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I must give credit to the noble druids...

G@ZMY@S

4/15/2008 1:13 PM UTC

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I think that Druids and Vampires are too weak in "Heroes of Might and Magic V". I personally voted for Griffins – they have good defense and attack stats, plus they attack from the air. It has always been difficult to fight against them.

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Ларс

4/16/2008 12:17 PM UTC

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A very difficult choice... Druids, mages, succubi. I really don't like fighting against these three. They are incredibly annoying :) I often suffer some losses... :( The "griffin" aerial attack can be neutralized relatively easily... the rest are just shot down :D That's just by the way! :D

But regarding the topic... I'm more inclined towards the lizard riders. Tough. Fast. Sharp :) They are simply awesome! And the lizards can bite too!! Lately, I've been using this feature more often...

_Prizrak_

4/16/2008 3:57 PM UTC

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I think that Druids and Vampires are too weak in "Heroes 5".

O.o Druids are weak??? They have Alt-Grade, which gives a spell, and Lightning – that's good for dealing damage... Vampires are weak with their life-draining ability? With Dark Energy, you can gather so many of them by the endgame that it's almost impossible to defeat them (I'm talking about large maps)... Under Lucrezia, it's just insane...

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G@ZMY@S

4/16/2008 6:55 PM UTC

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Maybe I just didn't appreciate their capabilities enough... :)
And this is my opinion - an aerial attack is a very good ability, especially in combat against archers. Vampires aren't that strong, although it all depends on their numbers...