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Regulations for the "Pair Tournament":smile14:

1. Tournament Goals
Further improvement of players' skills, fostering team spirit.

2. Tournament Motto
The war never ends!

3. Tournament System
Teams of two people participate in the tournament. The minimum number of teams is 5, and the maximum is 10. If there are 5 teams participating, a round-robin system will be used – each team plays against every other team. If there are 5 to 10 teams, participants will be divided into two subgroups. In each subgroup, games will be played using a round-robin system; the top two teams from each group advance to the final. Then comes the semi-final: the first place team from the first group plays against the second place team from the second group, and the first place team from the second group plays against the second place team from the first group. The winners of the semi-finals play each other in the final, and the losers compete in a match for third place. If two or more teams have an equal number of points overall, the results of their matches against each other will be considered. If a winner still cannot be determined, an additional mini-match will be scheduled.

4. Game System Between Teams

Two teams play:
Team A (playerA1 & playerA2) versus Team B (playerB1 & playerB2)

The match begins with
A1 (red) vs B1 (blue)
Attention! Regardless of any possible future restarts, Red player A1 immediately, at the beginning of the first day, makes a save!

Then, on the seventh day, when no further restarts are possible and the game has effectively begun, the saved game is considered the starting point for the second pair – they begin playing from that save.
B2 (red) vs A2 (blue)
Player A1 posts in the tournament thread, indicating the title of the game (who plays whom) and attaching the initial save. Player B2, upon starting the game, loads this save.

The rules of the matches fully comply with the seasonal rules. Players can make any changes by mutual agreement, but must also consider the opinions of their teammates. The only nuance is that the second pair, playing from the saved game, cannot restart!
The result of a match between two teams can be either a victory for one of them (2:0), or a draw (1:1).

Attention! The winner of the first pair writes a brief report, including only the result, without specifying the day of the victory; all comments about the game are prohibited! After the second game ends, the report should be completed according to all the rules for formatting the header. Teammates are forbidden to discuss their games with each other until they are completely finished!

5. Teams Registered So Far:

1. Invisible & Decontaminationator
2. TaKotoraya... & RAPER
3. Uran & Dudge
4. Vigo & Vitalic
5. Aldegir & Javdet
6. Mizrael & Scorp
7. Volland & Keba
8. Hargas and Walking_dead

6. Other
Tournament games will count towards the seasonal ranking. Reports on victories are posted here; then, the host (me) will create links to them in the SS_D seasonal thread.

Draw, schedule, and results of games:

First group:

1. Invisible & Decontaminationator 3 points
2. Uran & Dudge 5 points
3. Aldegir & Javdet 0 points (1 game not played)
4. Vigo & Vitalic 3 points (1 game not played)

Second group:

1. Volland & Keba
2. TaKotoraya... & RAPER
3. Hargas and Walking_dead
4. Mizrael & Scorp

First group:

Round 1
Invisible vs Uran 0-1
Decontaminationator vs Dudge 0-1

Aldegir vs Vigo
Javdet vs Vitalic 0-1

Round 2
Aldegir vs Invisible 0-1
Javdet vs Decontaminationator 0-1

Vigo vs Uran 0-1
Vitalic vs Dudge 1-0
Round 3
Invisible vs Vigo 1-0
Decontaminationator vs Vitalic 0-1

Uran vs Aldegir 1-0
Dudge vs Javdet 1-0

Second group:

Round 1
Volland vs TaKotoraya...
Keba vs RAPER

Hargas vs Mizrael 0-1
Walking_dead vs Scorp 0-1

Round 2
Hargas vs Volland 0-1
Walking_dead vs Keba

Mizrael vs TaKotoraya...
Scorp vs RAPER

Round 3
Volland vs Mizrael 0-1
Keba vs Scorp 0-1

TaKotoraya... vs Hargas
RAPER vs Walking_dead

In each match between two teams, the first red player starts the game; the blue player starts. Anticipating some possible requests, if the first pair does not have time to start, and the second pair is idle because of this, it is permissible for either pair to start. This is up to the players. The main thing is these two things: first, that both pairs do not start with the blue player at the same time :D, and second – PAY ATTENTION! - the starting pair must immediately make a save! Experience shows that they play for a week, and then it turns out that the red player forgot to make a save! Please try not to let this happen! All technical details and the sequence of actions are described in the first post. And all that remains for me is to wish the participants good luck!

They won't let you rest... but it's a commendable initiative!
If it's okay to discuss it here, I have a few questions:
1) Is this a seasonal, round-robin, or playoff format?
2) What are the restrictions on pairing (can it include members from different clans or clanless players)?
3) Will the timing of the paired game be addressed? I think that ideally, both pairs should play simultaneously; otherwise, the second pair will have all the information about the map.
4) What about castle selection? Is it the standard "random" or something new?
5) In case of a 1:1 result, what happens (a draw or an additional battle)?
6) Maybe it would be worth introducing the option for the second pair to restart the current save instead of creating a new one (update guards or change the contents of chests, etc.) – this would add some element of the unknown.
7) And of course, we're waiting for the full regulations: rules, etc.
P.S. By the way, is the annual online tournament for Heroes 3 "Seasons" expected soon – Spring 2008?

I didn't quite understand the rules, but I think we'll figure it out as we go along :).
We're signing up!
invisible&Decontaminator

If it's possible to discuss it here, I have a couple of questions:

Is that what you call a couple? ;)

1) Is this a season, a round-robin tournament, or a playoff?

The tournament system will be determined after the approximate number of participants is known.

2) Are there any restrictions on pairing (can players from different Clans or unaffiliated players be paired)?

There are no restrictions.

3) Will the timing of the paired games be addressed? I think that ideally, both pairs should play at the same time; otherwise, the second pair will know all the information about the map.

A ban on communication between teammates regarding a game played by one of them will be established. This relies entirely on the honesty of the players, although no more and no less than playing online in general. And if possible, of course, it is better when the games start at the same time or at least on the same day. But with our workload, this is problematic.

4) What about the choice of Castles? - standard "draft" or something new?

I think it will be the usual draft.

5) In the case of a 1:1 result, what should happen (a draw or an extra battle)?

This will depend on the tournament system.

6) Maybe it would be worth introducing the option for the second pair to restart the same save game, rather than creating a new one (update the guards or change the contents of the chests, etc.) - this would at least introduce some element of the unknown.

I tried it - different monsters are not generated from the same save. As far as I remember from the official game, the contents of the dungeons, magic guilds, etc. also do not change. Only the order of heroes appearing in the tavern changes. But let the experts correct me.

7) And of course, we are waiting for the full regulations: rules, etc.

It will be available soon!

Added after 38 minutes
At the request of the players, I am providing a link to the paired tournament of 2006, which I organized on the portal. I hope this will make it clearer what we will face :smile03:

I tried it – different monsters are not generated from the same save file. As far as I remember from the original game, the contents of dungeons, magic guilds, etc., also don't change. Only the order in which heroes appear in the tavern changes. But let the experts correct me.

If you reload the save, nothing will change, but if you restart the map, everything will change!

P.S.: The monsters will be the same because they are embedded in the map. But the spells in the guilds, utopias, crypts, and heroes in the taverns will all change! The most important thing is that the starting army changes drastically!!!

P.S.2: But, in my opinion, you can't click the "Replay Scenario" button in multiplayer. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I tried it – different monsters are not generated from the same save file. As far as I remember from the original game, the contents of dungeons, magic guilds, etc., also do not change. Only the order in which heroes appear in the tavern changes. But let the experts correct me.

It is easy to determine what changes and what does not by opening a random map in the editor.

What does not change: terrain and objects, the number and type of monsters, the contents of pandoras.

What changes: all artifacts (while preserving the level), the type of some resources, and for strictly defined resources, their quantity, the contents of all banks, huts, and universities, the guards of neutral cities, skill progression, and army size for prisoners.

Added 13 minutes later
Regarding restarts, I would recommend designating one person as the lead who would generate the save files, check them for obvious glitches, blocks, and generally strong imbalances in one direction or another. This saves time and reduces the number of draws.

It's easy to see what changes and what doesn't by simply loading a random map in the editor.

What doesn't change: terrain and objects, the number and type of monsters, the contents of Pandora's boxes.

What does change: all artifacts (while preserving their level), the type of some resources, and for strictly defined resources, their quantity; the contents of all banks, dwellings, and universities; the guards of neutral towns; the skill progression and army size of prisoners.

What you wrote is true for restarting the map itself. Reloading from a saved game only leads to a different sequence of heroes appearing in the tavern.

Added after 13 minutes
[/U]Regarding restarts, I would recommend designating one person as the lead, who would generate the saves, check them for obvious glitches, blocks, and generally strong imbalances in one direction or another. This saves time and reduces the number of draws.

The idea is good, but again, we will face the possible lack of time for the judge generating the saves, which will delay the players. So, scheduled games are difficult to play on time...

Interesting idea... I'm sitting here thinking about what tournaments I haven't seen yet... Heroes and human ingenuity never cease to amaze me :)

If that's possible, sign up TaKo and RAPER :D (Just hope we don't get the Frol brothers as opponents :D)

Interesting idea... I'm sitting here thinking about what tournaments I haven't seen yet... Heroes and human ingenuity never cease to amaze me :)

If that's possible, sign up TaKo and RAPER :D (Just hope we don't get the Frol brothers as opponents :D)

:D we are still thinking....))) :p :p :p

Updated the first post with the regulations:smile13:

Then, on the fourth day, when a restart is no longer possible.

Just a small detail. Is the restart for a match ending with a score of 1-1-6 canceled?

Rest on turn 116 – it should be banned altogether :)

But the idea is great!
It’s just a pity that I can’t connect with everyone; to be precise, there are already 61 people in the list with whom I can’t connect :(
Otherwise, I would have played...

I and Dudge are ready to participate...

A small detail. Is the restart for the match, with the score tied at 1-1-6, canceled?

I forgot about it :D I've updated it.
So, we already have three teams! I hope the situation will change for the better soon, otherwise everyone will end up as winners :)

We are honored to participate in the Tournament! We will gladly compete and test our skills:smile13:

Pair: Vigo and vitalic.