Which level 4 monster is the best? — Polls

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Crusader

10.8% 7 votes

Sniper

33.8% 22 votes

Silver Pegasus

3.1% 2 votes

Archmage

1.5% 1 vote

horned demon

0% 0 votes

vampire lord

35.4% 23 votes

Queen Medusa

6.2% 4 votes

Ogre Mage

4.6% 3 votes

Great Basilisk

0% 0 votes

energy elemental

3.1% 2 votes

golden golem

1.5% 1 vote

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In reply to kcfgogbfalgfl

снайп

12/2/2007 7:59 PM UTC

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monarh;132182

There are definitely Wizards 6, even with a "primitive method" (as Dirty_Player put it).

I'll prove to you later, even more simply, that they are indeed level 5, but for now, in the Cove of Chaos, there are 9 monsters guarding it, which corresponds to level 5 creatures. I'll find a picture of the Conflux - neutral town (Vogue Options) right now! Here it is, and this is with the Sorceresses being unupgraded Wizards in Vogue!!!!
P.S.: Level 1 - Hobbits - Thieves
Level 2 - Boar Riders - Nomads
Level 3 - Air Elementals - Fire Elementals (naturally weakened to Golems)
Level 4 - Werewolves - Trolls
Level 5 - Sorceresses - Wizards
Level 6 - Fire Elementals - Horrors
Level 7 - Hydras - Rust Dragon (Rust is just a heavily reduced version: 300 HP, 30 attack/defense, 50 damage - basically, only the HP was reduced, but they also don't have 3 forms anymore:(, and I don't remember if it's 50 damage or 30-50=))

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kcfgogbfalgfl

12/3/2007 11:27 AM UTC

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Primitive method -
in the hollow, 6 guards, once, and twice, that's what grew there.

I wonder where you got this picture from (and what city is it)?

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снайп

12/3/2007 11:35 AM UTC

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monarh;132624

A primitive method:
6 guards in a hollow is one thing, and the fact that it grows to 2 is another.

I'm curious, where did you get this picture from (and what city is it)?

This picture is from the game, can't you recognize the city? It's just with the "neutral city" option (version 3.58f). And aren't there 6 guards? Sorry, I haven't encountered these dwellings in maps for a long time, I don't remember. Please forgive me. But my opinion hasn't changed at all. There's a clear example! What about wizards at level 5, IMHO! (I tried to prove it with this picture, whether it worked or not is up to you to decide.) In any case, thank you for pointing out my mistakes; we will try to eliminate them altogether.
P.S.: By the way, the growth rates there are quite natural, so the growth rate for wizards is 3.

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kcfgogbfalgfl

12/3/2007 1:51 PM UTC

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It grew by three because (probably) there is a Fortress.

Could you describe those creatures to me (I mean their abilities, or whatever they're called, in short, their special skills)?
I know about the Goronich, the Nomad, the Thief, and the Fire Elemental.

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Landalos

12/3/2007 1:53 PM UTC

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Am I the only one who voted for the Medusa King?

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снайп

12/3/2007 3:11 PM UTC

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monarh;132740

It seems like you have three because of (probably) the Fortress.

Could you describe those creatures for me? (I mean their abilities, or whatever they're called, their special skills).
I know about the Ghoul, Nomad, Thief, and Fire Elemental.

Hmm... I don't remember the Fortress affecting the growth rate:confused: Without it, you can't build anything worthwhile, that's true, but the growth rate... you're exaggerating even a little bit. Okay, here are the ability descriptions, as much as I can remember:
Werewolves - Berserk, Lycanthropy (I don't remember the chance), and *2 chance for both when there's a full moon (days 14-16), Sorceresses - cast spells at a distance + chance to create a clone before attacking, Fire Elementals - fire wall after attacking (I also don't remember the chance), fire shield + fire immunity, attack with breath, Nightmares - breath, enhanced deadly gaze, fear, fearless. Sorry if I missed anything. If you have more questions, feel free to ask, I'll help as much as I can.

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kcfgogbfalgfl

12/3/2007 5:48 PM UTC

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I meant not a Fortress, but a Stronghold. These "sorceresses" seem a bit too strong for level 5. Could you provide more details about the werewolves?

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Light God

12/4/2007 1:43 PM UTC

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I think that Vampires are the strongest; they can attack everyone and regenerate, and their retaliatory strike is very effective.

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12/4/2007 3:23 PM UTC

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monarh;132818

I meant that it's not a fort, but a Stronghold.

These "Wizard" units seem a bit too strong for level 5.

Could you provide more details about the Werewolves?

Yeah)))) and where did you see 2 level 6 monsters in a Stronghold? You won't convince me!!! I'm just saying what I see/saw. IMHO, level 5 Wizards are useless, and I don't need to be proven otherwise. Download WoG 3.58f and see for yourself:smile20:. Moreover, the Wizards are as strong as Fanatics, and the Guards with 9 in defense are a real pain. I'll also check out the Wizard Guards=)). I can take screenshots, but the problem is that I can't find the screenshot right now:(:(. I'm not arguing that Wizards and Spellcasters are strong, but IMHO, any level 6 unit can defeat them, for sure (of course, in a duel, without magic. There was a map somewhere on the forum with a castle test). You also stand your ground, and that's right, but WoG is a direct proof of my words=)

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Koren Zla;133047

I think that Vampires are the strongest; they can fly to everyone, regenerate, and have a retaliatory strike.

Well, except for Golems, yes, but a Sniper can take down Golems, so we need to compare them in groups. Among the creatures made of flesh and blood, Vampires will beat everyone, and even individual level 5 units. Respect to the bloodsuckers=)

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Dirty_Player

12/4/2007 6:13 PM UTC

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Yeah)))) and where did you see 2 level 6 monsters in Stronghold? You won't convince me!!! I'm just saying what I see/saw. IMO, level 5 Wizards are useless, and I won't let anyone prove otherwise. Download WoG 3.58f and see for yourself:smile20:. Moreover, Enchantresses are as strong as Fanatics, and Guards with 9 in defense are like tanks. I'll also check out the Wizard Guards=)). I can take a screenshot, but the problem is that I can't find the screenshot now:(:(. I'm not arguing that Enchantresses and Wizards are strong, but IMO, any level 6 unit will defeat them, for sure (of course, in a duel, without magic). There was a map somewhere on the forum with a test of castles. You also stand your ground, and that's right, but WoG is direct proof of my words=)

WoG is meaningless! In WoG, with the help of ERM scripts, you can do anything you want!!! You can even put an Azure Dragon on level 1. I saw somewhere (I don't remember the map, unfortunately:( ) that in Castle, on level 4, instead of Swordsmen, they sell Ballistas, and you can't buy them! It was a parody of Heroes 4. And Wizards are really level 6! 6 Wizards guard the dwelling, and the map editor also says that it's level 6. Of course, in terms of health, it doesn't quite reach level 6 - that's obvious, however, its parameters (attack, defense, damage) are very much in line with level 6!!

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kcfgogbfalgfl

12/4/2007 6:21 PM UTC

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I remembered a funny incident: my brother was trying to convince me that snipers are stronger than wizards.

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12/4/2007 7:46 PM UTC

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monarh;133177

I remembered a funny incident:
my brother was trying to prove that a Sniper is stronger than a Wizard.

:eek: Really, was the hero stronger? Or did the Sniper just have better morale or luck? It's possible, but difficult. But I still can't understand, is 30 HP and 17 attack with unknown defense, 9 speed, and 14 damage for a level 6 Wizard a disgrace or just plain bad? It seems weak compared to level 5 monsters. But they are quite decent for level 5. I will definitely check out the Guard when I have time. And by the way, 12 Earth Elementals guard the artifact in the 3rd game! And Storm Elementals are level 3. There was a screenshot, so it's 100% proven. IMHO, you can only write that on a fence.