Vampires. Discussion. — Necropolis

Cheri@

18 years ago

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In the final battle of the campaign, I cast Vampirism on the free Cyclops. That was something!

Hello everyone and Merry Christmas! Personally, I'm against the Vampirism magic. The developers brazenly took away the Necromancers' monopoly on such a cool ability; now, all races use it, which is disappointing:smile35:. Each race should have abilities that are not available to others! Otherwise, the difference between the races begins to fade.

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I like the new look of the Vampires. Now, they are truly presented as strong and arrogant warriors, whereas in Heroes 3, they looked creepy but like weak, defeated creatures. Just think: they are Lords (even though they are dead), but they fight in battles with their bare hands. It's not very impressive. In Heroes 5, I really like the animation of the Vampires. They have cool attacks, and there's also that unrestrained aggression (when they show their fangs). However, it seems to me that they have actually become weaker in battle. I haven't figured out why yet. The stats seem to be fine:smile24:. Well, in general, in Heroes 5, the Vampires are the most awesome. Vampire Princes (probably alternate units?) are useless. A Vampire receiving backlash damage is NONSENSE! Try to wait for that blinding effect (I think it's called stunning, which sounds cooler). Because of the backlash, the meaning of Drain Life is lost.

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Mefisto

18 years ago

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Yeah, vampires are the coolest! They're awesome! Any neutral creature is nothing compared to them! I've always liked vampires! And when they appeared in Heroes of Might and Magic, I liked them even more! They're incredibly helpful in battle! Vampires RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Фрейя

18 years ago

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Even though I adore vampires in general, if I say that vampires are great in Heroes, then my personal preference won't matter. I would never refuse to have vampires in my army. In terms of appearance, in the 3rd game, in my opinion, the image is too exaggerated. But in the 5th game, I like them.

Frodo

18 years ago

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yeah, you definitely like vampires! =) you reposted it in almost every other post...
and I've always hated vampires((
because I never play as them)))) I just get annoyed when my opponent has vampires in their army... it's just awful)) draw your own conclusions...)

Lord Vampire

18 years ago

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It's been a while since I last visited my favorite thread on the forum. I'll say to everyone who has posted here, no matter how much you love vampires, I love them even more))) Because I am their Lord)) And the Leader of the "Vampires" clan on this site. I see that so many fans of my race have gathered here, so why don't you join my clan?)) Okay, I'm done with my campaigning speech, I'll get back to the topic.
Of course, I believe that vampires are the strongest unit among their level, although at first, when I was just starting to play the fifth game, they seemed very weak to me (because before that I played the fourth game, and there they are simply monsters). I played for half a year, and they started to seem normal to me, time passed, and now they are beyond perfection for me)).

Yes, vampires are the best of the fourth-level units if there are a good number of them and the player knows how to control them!

That's right. Because if you just send them into battle without thinking, there won't be much point.

I like vampires, but if you put them as sworn enemies, Ossir will defeat them with his archers!

Just don't focus on specific situations! I can also say a lot in this case. And if I cast Weakness on the Archers, what then? And if I cast some kind of deadly chaos spell on the archers, they will all die immediately because they have little health. And there could be many other things, you shouldn't bring up specific cases, there is a countermeasure against all of them, and you need to be able to develop it in order to counter your opponent.

Conclusion: Vampires will conquer the world! (Of course, under my leadership)

Sincerely, Lord of Vampires

P.S. I am usually modest, but now I'm just bursting with enthusiasm)))

Gunslinger

18 years ago

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What if I cast Scatter on the Archers? And what if I cast some weak Chaos spell on the archers? They'll all die immediately because they have very little health.

First of all, be more polite in your expressions – Sylvan archers are masculine, not feminine (this could lead to a decrease in your reputation)... Secondly, think about what Laxty said. And vampires aren't unbeatable either. At least, when playing against me, vampires don't manage to do much (except die)... but in general, they are very strong creatures... I don't argue! Besides, there's such a powerful spell as Divine Retribution. And one more small drawback: in the game, they become enemy #1 or #2, so everyone gangs up on them... hasty conclusions shouldn't be made either!
I gave a harsh answer, sorry... it just bothered me. I would gladly play with you and try to prove something, but I don't have that opportunity!

Gilnit

18 years ago

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Regarding intelligence. Liches are often former living wizards who voluntarily became undead, managing to separate their body and soul through forbidden rituals and kill themselves. In short, during their undead existence, they strive to improve their magical skills, but also hate the living.
I've heard about black knights – they are said to be cunning, good strategists, and skilled fighters. They are also undead with intelligence.

Regarding vampires – in Heroes of Might and Magic IV, they rule over the creatures. They are at their peak in that game.

Fireball

18 years ago

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Sorry, of course Lord Vampire, but I'm telling you that the Necropolis race is not yours at all!!! Only your clan is. And with Lucrezia, by leveling up Chaos, you'll be very disappointed. There's already no room to squeeze in the necessary skill! With elves, you can level up Quick Mind and cast antimagic on archers, and you won't be able to do anything to them with your chaos... Well, do you have any suggestions against that?1. Lightning and Stone Golem hit very hard; unlike antimagic, these are only level 2 spells. They are easily learned in shrines, guilds, and from Chaos Secrets. Or are you planning to drag out the game, letting the necromancer get secondaries and use a converter to increase their army 2-3 times?
2. Archers can also be worn down by Plague, which Zoltan learns instantly, as well as from neutral (for such purposes, you can grab a living stack of meat from a left hero) archliches, and your own. There is no need to return to the castle.
3. Antimagic takes a full turn, while the necromancer will cast twice in that time, which is very unpleasant.
4. No one has forgotten about skeletons and liches, and the elf has no units with Big Shields.
We could continue, but it's already clear that there are more than enough ways besides Chaos.

And vamps aren't the center of the universe either. At least, when playing against me, vampires manage to do very little (except die)....

Vampires in small numbers are not very strong. 5 vamps are much weaker than 5 mages, 5 shamans, 4 druids and no stronger than the growth of others. But their plus is that there are rarely few of them, and by day 8-9 there can easily be 30 vamps. They preserve themselves perfectly in battles against neutrals, and when there are more than 50 (week 3), they definitely surpass any fellow unit in level.
You start to especially appreciate vampires after taking Dragon Utopias. I remember while playing on Former Friends, 26 lords (without skeletons) took the max Dragon Utopia in week 2 without Fire Arrows and even without Protection (there was expert Attack).

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Mefisto

18 years ago

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Well, we usually play on a random map, either a very large or large one with a dungeon, so the game becomes quite long, and it's easy to build up a guild! And libraries are also not uncommon there, so the archers are saved=(But it's very difficult to play against the Elves in a rush! And even though there are many Vampires, they are usually the ones being attacked the most!:smile27:

Fireball

18 years ago

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Well, we're playing on a random map, either very large or large, with a Dungeon, so the game becomes long, and it's easy to build a Guild! And libraries are also not uncommon there, so the archers are saved=(

In the game you described, Necropolis can definitely have several secondary settlements. Liches increase in number by 15 at a time, and vampires (considering necromancy) by 40-50 per week. The archers will simply be shot down; there will be no one to save from magic. And Vampirism and Heavenly Shield are used on the vampires. Game Over. You can't play defensively with Necropolis, even though its troops aren't the best, it turns almost any secondary settlement into its own. After just 2 months (excluding the brutal guards everywhere and the prolonged exit from the starting area), almost any castle is doomed, and it only gets worse from there. If you've decided to just wander around an XL map for 3 months, then gather resources and have a final showdown, then Necropolis is definitely out. Or are you playing XL with only 2 castles?

And it's very difficult to play against Elves in a rush.

Elves don't have Engineers and have a 2% chance of getting them, so they rush very well. A Ballista can eliminate all of Ossira's Elves in one turn, at most two. And I didn't bring up the "Old Friends" map for no reason. There's a very high chance of encountering Kaspar, around level 15, with 30 vampires on week 2, who will kill Ossira without any losses.

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Cheri@

18 years ago

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in general, a skilled player won't let vampires be targeted; I usually don't send them to the front lines. First, I deploy undead units and distract the enemy with them (anyway, I don't like undead units very much, so let them die), and then the vampires start a bloody massacre on mid-level archers. As for attacking archers with the "Cursed" ability, you still won't have enough of them to kill vampires with a single shot. I'm not a novice either, and I'll have many vampires. Plus, the Banshee's cry will push the archers back, and in general, by the 2nd round, I usually block the archers. So, vampires are resilient creatures, and you can only defeat them by targeting them with several units, which will give me an advantage, and I'll counterattack.

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Mefisto

18 years ago

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It wasn't that easy for Necropolis to defeat Archers before, because Wing has very high initiative! Even if not all vampires die, there won't be many left! And a good player won't let the vampires run wild. And if the archers' "Cobra" skill (new upgrade) triggers, and the "Luck" and "Curse" spells work, then all the vampires will be gone! If you're playing against the computer, it won't do anything, but if you're playing against a human, that's a different story!:smile24:

Shevriel

18 years ago

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With the introduction of dark energy, vampires have become an optimal unit for replenishment – you can raise 20 of them per week. And considering all the advantages listed above, they are simply great. Regarding the claims that many people made, saying that vampires in Heroes of Might and Magic V are not as good as they used to be and have become like swordsmen – don't believe it. It looks great. The idea that they have lost their vampirism and now have to gnaw at any armor with their vampire fangs or attack everyone with their claws is not aesthetically pleasing. But a sword looks beautiful. You can drink the blood of a defeated enemy until they die. And the death animation of vampires is generally excellent – only a sword remains!

Gunslinger

18 years ago

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Yes... vampires in the Necropolis faction are the backbone of their army. They look very stylish, they cause a lot of trouble for the opponent, and they are effective against neutral creatures. In Heroes of Might and Magic V, they are definitely more beautiful than in Heroes of Might and Magic III, and just look at how popular they are! No other unit has been discussed so much!

Lord Vampire

18 years ago

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Forgive me, Lord Vampire, but I must tell you that the Necropolis faction is definitely not yours! Only your clan belongs to you. And if you level up Chaos with Lucrezia, you'll be very disappointed.

Forgive me, la)(ty, but taking Lucrezia won't disappoint me at all! You'll be the one who's disappointed, because with this setup, I'll crush your army with just Vampires. And who told you that I'm going to use Lucrezia for Chaos anyway? (although I can, and I've done it many times, and everything was fine, I don't know why you don't like Lucrezia).

There's no room to fit the necessary skill anyway! With the Elves, you can level up Quick Mind and put Anti-Magic on the archers, and you won't be able to do anything to them with your Chaos... So, what do you suggest against that?

I said, there's no need to bring up specific cases. You presented this example as if it's all-powerful and there's no counter to it at all! There are counters to everything, and I don't need to list what you'll do with your archers; I'll find a way to deal with them.

First, tone down the language – Sylvan archers are masculine, not feminine (this could lower your rating)... Second, think about what Laxty said. And Vampires aren't the best units in the game. At least, when playing against me, Vampires don't have time to do much (except die)... but in general, they are very strong creatures... I don't argue! Besides, there's a cheat spell called Divine Retribution. And one more small drawback: in the game, they become enemy #1 or #2, so everyone attacks them... hasty conclusions shouldn't be made either!

First, if I called the archers "archeresses," it means I'm used to calling them that, and I didn't do it on purpose. I've been calling them "archeresses" since I started playing the fourth game, and if you're going to lower my rating for saying that, then you're either very brave or very stupid. Second, I won't think about what la)(ty said because he didn't say anything smart. Third, yes, everyone always attacks Vampires because they're very feared, but let them attack. I have the ability to counterattack with other units or wait until they destroy a stack of Vampires and then raise them again. Then think about it: should I rebuild them all or attack others? Divine Retribution is a cheat, but it can also be cast on archers. In short, archers are strong, yes, they shoot twice, and their damage is really great, BUT they are very vulnerable! Much more so than Vampires! So, stop bringing up examples with them; with the right approach, they can be quickly destroyed, but not Vampires. I apologize for such a rude response, but it strangely bothered me too.

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