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ALLIANCE ANNOUNCEMENTS

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Offline Ley
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2 Vanechka: Come on, you've already made your point... People wanted to level the playing field in a game against a genuinely stronger clan, they made an attempt, but they didn't consider everything... Time will tell ;)

to all: And what's the point of war? We're not living in 1941-1945, are we? Our battles are for fun, not for revenge or spite...

Sincerely.
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Good point, but... war isn't always about profit.
In reality... war always starts because of... one side's desire to encroach on the other side's wealth (no matter what kind it is... spiritual, moral, physical, etc.)... so, according to you, the losing clan should give something to the winning clan after a victory... i.e., if there was territory, then perhaps it... but the idea of territories has already been discussed extensively... so calling this a war is simply incorrect...
But never mind - the main point isn't that....
What is the purpose of alliances after all...? Or are they only needed by clans that aren't quite "strong" yet...? For "duels" between themselves, or am I wrong?
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Raper, ahem, you're a cunning person :) (take it as a compliment). You only ask questions…
However, let’s take a look here.
Two Clans: “Many into One,” of which you are a prominent member, and “Order of the Phoenix” have concluded a military alliance and a number of other agreements. They did so long before we did. So, here is a question for you and your Clan(s): what do you understand by an alliance? War? What is the purpose of this alliance for you? Please state your position.
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RAPER;145955
actually... war always starts because of... one side's desire to encroach on the wealth of the other side (no matter what kind it is... spiritual, moral, physical, etc.)... so, according to you, the losing clan should give something to you for winning the war... that is, if there was territory, then maybe it... but the idea of territories has been discussed for a long time, etc.... so calling this a war is simply incorrect...
but okay - the point is not in this....
why are alliances needed after all...? or are they needed by clans that are not yet "strong enough"?... for "duels" between themselves, or am I wrong?

Dear RAPER, I will try to explain - quite recently, in some topic related to LZMС (League of Magic Clans), the respected Qwerty wrote that an alliance was concluded between the Order of the Phoenix and some clan (I think it was "Man to Man" or "Unity in Diversity"). This fact did not become a topic for discussion (I was looking for this post, but I didn't find it). And the alliance between the Guardians and the Alliance, unfortunately, became a reason for discussion. And not only this alliance became a topic of discussion, but also the meaning of the ALLIANCE? In my opinion, LZMС is taking on the image of a MegaClan. Perhaps the leaders of these clans have also formed such an opinion. Perhaps this was one of the reasons for creating this alliance. Mutual support against influence and pressure, if any, from large clans and, in fact, the MegaClan. In my opinion, this is one of the reasons for creating an alliance.

Dear Draco found the post I was talking about.
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Let's put it this way.... ;) Back then, there was a real meeting in Moscow....attended by the leaders of the EPU and OP Clans... and the word "alliance" - it's not exactly what you understand;).. because you're judging based on this topic... i.e., providing fighters....but it's not quite like that (I don't know for sure, but I'll make a guess)... a military alliance - is the cooperation of prominent fighters from the Clan... in improving the level of the game....
and now a little about
a number of other agreements.
Here, you don't quite understand correctly... there was a discussion about changes on the forum (unfortunately, I'm not allowed to talk about it)....and it was based on them that other agreements were reached....

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What do you understand by "alliance"? War? What do you need this alliance for? Please state your position.
This is what we should have started with... because everyone understands it differently (like me... and you)... so I simply don't understand the essence of such alliances... what are they needed for???....
And the alliance between the Guardians and the Alliance, unfortunately, became a reason for discussion.
See above;)...
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In my opinion, LZMS is taking on the image of a MegaClan.
If I remember correctly, Khn, as you said, is in a "megaclan," or am I mistaken?
Mutual support against influence and pressure, if any, from large clans and, in particular, the MegaClan.
LZMS has never exerted influence on anyone, as you remember... it all started with the former leader of Khn - to whom something didn't please (I mean all this bickering).... joining it was voluntary (and remains so)... and there simply cannot be pressure from "strong" clans... where would it come from???? in the Heroes game, everyone is equal... another question is that some are more experienced, others less...
P.S. I'm not cunning... I don't have that quality;). I'm just curious... maybe something worthwhile will come of it... perhaps we will indeed conclude an alliance with someone;).. but for now, the idea is not clear
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Greetings,
Dear friends, as a participant of that meeting, I am authorized to state that no military alliance was concluded at the meeting, in the sense you attach to this word (Qwerty – when writing the post, he expressed himself somewhat incorrectly). As proof of this, I will now challenge the clan “From many, one” to a clan battle within the framework of the tournament: “Witch Hunt 2008”.

The full version of the challenge will be presented in the topic: Order of the Phoenix challenges you to a fight!

Sincerely.

Кто состоянием своим доволен, тому жить весело. (с)Алекса́ндр Васи́льевич Суво́ров
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Unfortunately, we probably won't be able to show any results, as Sir Ketch isn't participating, and Kamikaze-2 isn't cooperating... so, we don't have any decent players for it;)... but if anything changes, we'll be happy to;) ps, you can send it to HH =DDDDDDDDDD
Currently, in the 2nd game, no one on our portal is stronger than OP.;)
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Kyle;145968
As proof of this, I'm challenging the clan: "Many in one" to a clan battle right now.

Kyle, you really said that... :D

Yur, let's not try to wriggle out of it, okay? Just a little higher in the post, you're telling Draco that meeting the Phoenix Order clan was purely positive (from the perspective of learning the game in Heroes 2), that you wanted to learn something, so there's no need to "evade"... especially since a battle with the Phoenix Order clan is the best training ground in this part of heroesworld...:)
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As I understand it, the difference between a war and a duel lies in the fact that if a dispute arises between clans, they resolve it on the battlefield rather than arguing online. Is that correct? And if one of the clans sees that it has nothing to counter the opposing player with, it calls in a player from an allied clan who can change the situation. Am I right?
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So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
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Kyle, to be honest, when Qwerty's message first appeared, I was very interested in what was meant by a military alliance and other agreements, but now... I doubt it. Especially since I have an idea about them.
It's not that important ;) . So, is it worth talking about it? No, it isn't.

In this case, the question is different: what can you say about alliances, about wars? There are many possible answers, and they are all different. This means one thing: we need to define inter-clan relations once and for all, and develop a set of common rules that all clans could follow. Why? Because it's simpler, and there will be less chaos.
In this case, I'm not talking about limiting the actions of the clans. No. I suggest making it similar to the Civil Code of the Russian Federation: there are certain rules that can be changed by agreements, but there is a part of concepts, definitions, and conditions that must remain unchanged.
I think that in a few days I will be able to provide more detailed information.
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Regarding the war, I'd like to add a few words. So, the ХН clan challenged EPU to a fight – a war, and no one else. (It's terrible, of course, but anything is possible in our world :)) ХН is assessing the situation, and they don't have enough strong players for a 3v3 match (let's assume that's the real situation), so they're calling in reinforcements from neighboring clans. THAT'S why this will never happen... because the challenger always plays on the terms of the challenged, and if you don't have players for a 3v3, but you do have them for a 5v5, then EPU will play with you in a 5v5 format, otherwise, the whole point of the challenge is lost and turns into (:) well, you know what. And why do you need other players? If you can't play, it's not interesting for others to play with you. P.S. I ask EPU and ХН not to be offended by this example.
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Offline eXeCuToR
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Starhan, but what if a clan wants to play specifically in a part where the opponent is stronger? That can happen. Because if they constantly play only in one set of five (this refers to the example you provided), there will be no improvement in their skills in the 3v3 format; they also want to learn how to play in 3v3. Then they call an allied clan and say: "Guys, we don't have another player for 3v3 yet; let Arandor play for us." Then they will increase their chances and see how to play, not only by analyzing the opponent's game but also by observing the allied player's game.
P.S. I decided not to reinvent the wheel and used the example suggested by Starhan; please don't be offended. I'm not claiming that Arandor plays better than Izgoy or Yozh)).
Step aside from the way of a better man than you
So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
Stand up

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Starhan;145994
I'd like to add a word about the war.

So, the ХН clan, facing a serious problem, challenged another clan – EPU – to a duel, or rather, a war, and no one else.

ХН sees that they don't have enough strong players for a 3v3 match (let's assume that's the real situation) and calls in neighboring clans for help.

HERE'S the thing, gentlemen, this will never happen... because the challenger always plays by the rules of the challenged. If you don't have players for a 3v3, but you have players for a 5v5, then EPU will play against you in a 5v5 format. Otherwise, the whole point of the challenge is lost and turns into (:) well, you know what.

And what's the point of having other players if you can't play yourselves? If you can't play, it's not interesting for others to play with you.

P.S. I hope EPU and ХН won't be offended by this example.
Such a challenge is a duel between two clans, not a war.

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I understand that the difference between a war and a duel is that if there is a dispute between clans, they resolve it on the battlefield, not by arguing on the internet. Is that correct? And if one of the clans sees that they have no one to counter an opponent's player, they call in a player from an allied clan who can change the outcome. Am I right?
Yes, Exe, you are right)) Alliances are made for such things.

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.....if I remember correctly, ХН is part of the "megaclan," or am I mistaken?
Hmm, as I understand from Drakon's words, ХН's membership in LZMS is suspended
Хороший сон укрепляет боевой дух. Хорошая еда укрепляет боевой дух. Хорошие деньги укрепляют боевой дух. А больше всего укрепляет боевой дух - отсутствие врага.
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The alliance of the clans "E Pluribus Unum" and "Order of the Phoenix" is multifaceted; I will only reveal one aspect.
If a clan or group of clans takes an aggressive stance towards our allies, we reserve the right to take the following actions:
1. Challenge the offending clan to a match to defend the interests of the ally;
2. Issue a joint challenge from a combined team of allied clans against the offending clan (or group of clans).
3. Supplement the team of the allied clan with members of our clan.

Our clans are united by a constructive position and the demonstration of our rightness through the organization and participation in tournaments, as well as through informational and educational activities.

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The alliance of the clans "E Pluribus Unum" and "Order of the Phoenix" is multifaceted; I will only reveal one aspect.
If a clan or group of clans takes an aggressive position towards our allies, we reserve the right to take the following actions:
1. Challenge the offending clan to a match in order to defend the interests of the ally;
2. Jointly challenge a combined team of allied clans against the offending clan (or group of clans).
3. Supplement the team of the allied clan with members of our clan.

Our clans are united by a constructive position and the demonstration of our rightness through the organization and participation in tournaments, as well as through informational and educational activities.

Perhaps the Guardians of the Necronomicon and the Alliance of Light meant the same thing, and simply expressed it in a harsh and clear form for everyone to understand, saying that they are allies and will help in everything, including in war.
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