Are new factions needed? — New ideas.

Alex Ghost

1/7/2008 11:51 AM UTC

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Gold Fenix;141522

Revealing...).
The Kitsune race. Well, I don't know what the purpose of creating it was. To put it mildly, it's nonsense. Hmm... maybe it's some kind of joke... but do I just not have a sense of humor? Hmm... and if it is a joke, then there's a "Humor in HoMM5" thread.
The Hrashei race. Here, everything is simple. All the creatures are "copied" from Nighon and the Swamp.

The Kitsune race is just an attempt – still at the experimental stage... They want to create something that hasn't been done before, but they just need to be pushed in the right direction... They might still surprise and delight... :cool:

The Hrashei race – what did you expect when there aren't enough mythical creatures left – they've all been used somewhere already... Of course, the selection, to put it mildly, doesn't match the "glory and power" of the creatures – like some monster on, say, the 5th level, when it should be on the 7th... But nevertheless, this is just the first attempt – in the future, a race created by a person will be made much better...

Let the thread exist...

ФЛУДОВСКИЕ ССЫЛКИ - конец бесполезным темам

Machete

1/7/2008 3:57 PM UTC

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Izgoy767: Then, many disagreements will arise. Who will decide which ideas are feasible and which are not? Let's take the Kitsune race as an example. I said that if this (and any similar topic) is a joke, then it should be in the "off-topic" section. If it is aimed at improving and eventually implementing it, then it should be in the "new ideas" section...

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Изгой767

1/7/2008 5:33 PM UTC

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Machete;141788

Izgoy767:
Then, many disagreements will arise. Who will decide which ideas are feasible and which are not?

Take, for example, the Kitsune race. I said that if this (and any similar topic) is a joke, then it should be in the "off-topic" section. If it is aimed at refining and eventually implementing it, then it should be in the "new ideas" section...

These are the organizers of these ideas, and they should decide whether they can continue with this idea or not. But still: the race won't appear in the game, so where should these topics be – in the off-topic section. This is my IMHO.

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lis;141747

Why should I come up with races if they won't be added to the game anyway? And I don't like to chat aimlessly.
And you are a real generator of wonderful ideas. I'm amazed at how much self-love and lack of culture can be in one person.
The first one who is just talking nonsense here is you; you should go and do something useful.

You are so good at understanding people:smile40: :smile40: :smile40:
"Smart guy," have you done many useful things yourself?
By the way, your spelling and punctuation are excellent!!!

Machete

1/7/2008 7:24 PM UTC

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Izgoy767: Here you are again saying: "it won't appear in the game." But who will decide whether it will appear or not? Are you suggesting yourself as the judge? This is such a question...

P.S. I remind you that they are planning to refine the race.

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Изгой767

1/7/2008 7:32 PM UTC

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Machete;141833

Izgoy767: Here you go again, saying "it won't appear in the game." But who will decide whether it will appear or not? Are you suggesting yourself for the role of judge? This is such a question...

P.S. Just a reminder, the race is going to be refined.

I don't want to take on the role of judge. The point is that, since the races are not yet fully developed, they should be discussed in the general discussion forum because they don't have a solid foundation. After everything is refined, only then should they be moved to the new ideas section for discussion! And then we can discuss and decide whether the race will be included or not. That's my opinion on the matter.

XEL

1/8/2008 6:36 AM UTC

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For Heroes 5, new races aren't needed; what's needed is optimization. For the other installments, yes, new races would be welcome, but not all of those currently in development.

Machete

1/8/2008 9:05 AM UTC

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Loken, you are right. The question is this: some members of the team believe that it would be better to not offer any ideas at all regarding races and factions.

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Гур

1/8/2008 9:05 AM UTC

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New, well-designed races that fit organically into the world of the game are needed, in my opinion. However, if we are talking about the fifth installment of Heroes, then everything depends on the official developers, their desire, and their ability to create new expansions. Of course, this doesn't apply to fan-made mods... If we are talking about earlier installments, then in this case, in my opinion, we need to take real actions (such as brainstorming the idea for a new race on paper and then technically implementing the idea) to create new factions, rather than engaging in discussions like "are new races even needed in principle?".

P.S. Loken, here's a question for you: what, in your opinion, better fits the definition of "insult": the phrase "whining like an old woman on a bench" or the statement "the fifth installment of Heroes doesn't need new races, it needs a furnace," considering that the latter statement is not an insult under any circumstances?

Sincerely,
Gur.

"Пришел, увидел и пропил..."

Хай Гурий Слесарь

Machete

1/8/2008 9:18 AM UTC

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1) Hello, Gur! Glad to hear from you again.

2) We need to figure out what would be best for the site. Maybe these people are right? And maybe we should move all the faction suggestions to the "flood" section? Or, on the contrary, prove them wrong and leave everything as it is? Or something else?

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Loken

1/8/2008 9:19 AM UTC

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Gur, with all due respect, the phrase "the fifth Heroes game doesn't need new races, it needs optimization" is a direct insult to the fifth installment of the game, and I think it's obvious that, as stated in my quote, Hacker will put a stop to it. It's simply an insult and a dismissive attitude towards those who enjoy it. This is not appropriate behavior for a "respected member of the Heroes International."
Machete, such puritanism is, of course, foolish. After all, they did release expansions, but I think we understand each other, and it's better not to write outright nonsense.

Первый, кто был забанен за Правду.

Гур

1/8/2008 10:16 AM UTC

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Good day to you too, Machete! In my opinion, the location of threads about new factions within the forum structure is not of significant importance. Whether these threads are in the general discussion section or remain in the main part of the forum, the most important thing is the quality of the ideas themselves. Potential racial innovations can be discussed anywhere, even in private messages. If anyone suffers from this, it will be those who like to increase the number of posts by expressing their opinions in threads about new factions. The technical part of the work doesn't even require the forum. P.S. Loken, let's not get too heated and, before accusing someone of direct insult, let's first clarify the term "insult." Gentlemen, let's define the term "insult." Sincerely, Gur.

"Пришел, увидел и пропил..."

Хай Гурий Слесарь

SandroXXL

1/8/2008 10:40 AM UTC

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Loken and Hel, enough is enough, please stop.;)
Regarding the races, let people fantasize. If Ubisoft holds a contest, we'll send links to the relevant topics or simply describe them; we already have the processing tools. As for all sorts of funny races, the moderator will be the judge.

Просто еще один

XEL

1/8/2008 11:00 AM UTC

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Loken, if I don't like the fifth installment of Heroes, I express my opinion about it. Note that I'm not urging anyone to "not play the fifth installment," but simply stating what I think about it. The forum rules don't prohibit this, and as far as I know, the rules of the Heroes International don't prohibit criticizing one installment or another, especially if it's not about the entire series. I'm also not personally insulting anyone, unlike you. If you need to know the reasons why I'm saying this about the fifth installment, please ask, but in a different thread. At the same time, when I asked you to explain what was "trash" about the third game, you started saying "don't whine, don't act like you're smarter than everyone else" and other nonsense, which you're doing now. My statement didn't contradict the topic because all the statements (and there was only one statement, and it was quite short) about the fifth Heroes were made in the context of the question about new races in Heroes.

camrADD

1/8/2008 12:52 PM UTC

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From my point of view, even if we assume that the founding father of Heroes wouldn't seek something new and would instead focus on the initial stages, the resulting game would be completely different from what we see today. Therefore, I am, of course, in favor of development! Let's create!

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And I find it extremely unpleasant to involuntarily listen to nonsense from gamers!

сумрачно и вечно запах смерти над погостом...

XEL

1/8/2008 1:18 PM UTC

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Not all new factions are worth creating. Among the city designs for the third installment of Heroes, the most worthwhile are Forge, Bastion, and Cove. For Heroes 4, it would be quite feasible to create one new city – a pseudo-Scandinavian one (based on Might and Magic IX).