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If they had immediately and clearly stated, "What do you want to suggest?" then none of this would have happened, and there wouldn't be this thread.
Added 8 minutes later
Seriously, guys, learn to apologize, and maybe there won't be any more LZMС (presumably an abbreviation).
I'll start:
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Please forgive me if I previously offended you or hurt your feelings with my posts!!!
Вы вечно молитесь своим Богам И ваши Боги всё прощают вам... Поиск
Tengro
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I'd like to apologize as well. SoulDrinker, sorry for the rudeness in my posts. Please forgive me.
"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ
"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
Vanechka, this reflects my attitude towards the Nachtritters. I understand, it's harsh, but read kj1313.
Why?.. I can give you links to at least a couple of websites dedicated to the game "Heroes." Just move your post there (or any post from this thread under your name), and see how long it takes for you to get banned... Why are you yelling? Everyone here knows you, kj1313, me, rapera, each other, and we all have long-standing opinions about each other. Do you want to talk about it? (from some American TV show...) Why? What's your goal?
Added 10 minutes later The topic was created - LZMС is not needed, IMHO. I think so too. They've started a real circus, some stupid nonsense about who considers what a swear word and under what circumstances. Sorry for the off-topic, but it's been bothering me. Logic: don't touch it, and it won't touch you. Closed Tournaments: they chose me against the whole clan at one time... Primus... primus... beer... get off my back, you bastard.... ABYRVALG!!!!
:D :D :D
IMHO, there's paralysis among the moderators. But anyway - LZMС is not needed. We need to call things by their names - not a "inter-clan conflict," but "stupid rudeness." And there's no need to vote on 90% of all the "issues" that arise.
Added 5 minutes later Let's create a topic in the off-topic section - a garbage dump? We'll move the garbage there instead of deleting it, so that the authors will at least sometimes feel ashamed of their posts.
Tengro
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Okay. The issue is closed. It was just... my exaggerated "sense of language." Okay, I apologize to everyone I offended with my previous post.
And regarding the "League of Decent Mapmakers and Scenario Creators" (LDMSC):
Guys:) Once again, let's look at what the creator of the LDMSC intended:
The Sorochyn Fair was a consequence of paralysis among the modders + verbal diarrhea from the users (including me).
A little quieter, a little gentler, a little more polite... a little more playing by the rules.
And the LDMSC was not intended for voting on 90% of the issues:) but only on the most important ones.
Oh! I understand:) You can call the LDMSC an analogue of the European Union:) where joining is voluntary, and it is viewed in different ways by others... But, ideally, it brings order and peace to those who join.
And in general:) Somewhere at the beginning, someone called the topic a "breeding ground for flame wars." Let's make every effort to prevent this from happening?
"Мы не герои. Мы сильны. Мы упрямы. Мы стараемся соблюдать условия контракта. Но мы не умираем за проигравших." Костоправ
"Мы не поклонники честной игры, если ее можно избежать. Девиз Отряда – максимальная эффективность при минимальном риске." Костоправ
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Here, everyone knows you, kj1313, me, rapera, and each other, and everyone has a well-formed opinion about each other.
I'll slightly disagree... I don't know about EVERYONE... but I personally only know Tengro, as he's one of the core members of this forum.... As for opinions, I form an opinion about a user after their first post on the forum... if it's uninformative or argumentative for no reason, it means the person came here just to "pick their nose" (that's how I put it)....... and even more, it really annoys me when someone "comes in, doesn't know anyone, and immediately tries to cause trouble." I consider such people to be worms that destroy the soil that has been forming for a long time... (figuratively speaking).. That's it, I don't want to argue with you anymore; everyone has their own opinion...
I don't understand what you want to argue about...
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Everyone here knows you, kj1313, me, rapera, and each other, and everyone has a well-formed opinion about each other.
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I don't want to argue with you anymore... everyone has their own opinion...
Find ten differences...
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everyone has their own opinion... not about the person.. I didn't finish writing ^_^ so to speak, I didn't complete the thought.. everyone has their own opinion regarding LZMS, Clans, rules, the "carrot and stick" system.. and so on....;) that is what I wanted to say by writing
that's it.. I don't want to argue with you anymore.. everyone has their own opinion
;) and as for others' opinions—about me—I couldn't care less... ;) because I know who I am and that is enough for me...
играю на уровне AI !!:smile32: ;)
ewgeniy
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Tengro;137568
Regarding the LZMС: Guys:) once again, let's look at what the creator of LZMС meant by it:)
Regarding LZMС?:D Tengro, are you sure that a person with 3 messages (not counting the off-topic section, of course) is interested in what LZMС is and how it works? Sometimes I understand that it's not worth arguing with some people - even if you can't prove anything, but I understand that he is wrong, and it's also impossible to remain silent - you have to tell him. So, you created a topic: LZMС IS UNNECESSARY, IMHO. Well done. And what meaning is put into the first post?SoulDrinker;137273
I suggest that all those who disagree create their own opposite of LZMС. ....But beforehand, it must be understood that this organization (if it is created) will not be created to resolve conflicts and pacify "psychotic Clans". But only to protect users and Clans from the actions of LZMС....
Excellent. Create an ANTI-LZMС, that's exactly what the forum was missing! There is one question: WHAT ACTIONS OF LZMС, IN YOUR OPINION, ARE WORTH COUNTERACTING? If you are not just another empty talker, SoulDrinker, try to answer my question clearly, highlight it in bold so that I can read it (I suppose you will say a lot besides the answer). I am somehow sure that there will be no clear answer....
I wanted to write a similar topic 2 days ago, but I realized that it wouldn't lead to anything good, and I warned that politics on the internet doesn't lead to anything good.
And I'm tired of the words of REPER, saying that he and Alex.PANK did a lot for the forum, they created clans, and most importantly, read the forum history. In my opinion, if I was helping the forum, I wouldn't be yelling like that, and I would listen to the opinions of others... And by the way, there would be clans even if REPER and Alex.PANK hadn't come to the forum at all; this is a natural phenomenon, and it's enough to imagine that the planet revolves around you, "REPER," and Dmitry 767 is already annoyed...
And what is happening between the Knights and the EPNs is not a clan conflict; I thought we figured that out last time....obviously, not everyone....>(>(>(...
And if you, Reper, write to me again about Battle Spirit, I will take it as a threat and insult and write to the administration...
And by the way, clans would have existed even if REPER and Alex.PUNK hadn't come to the forum at all; this is a natural phenomenon...
Explain why it's a natural phenomenon?
Added 7 minutes later Regarding politics: if there were no politics on the portal (LZMS, GI, clans, etc. - this is pure politics), there would be no reason for you, me, and others to express ourselves or even just communicate - it would be so boring! Right? Well, if you (or I, for example) are against politics, then leave the clan and don't write in such topics. Do you agree?
Added 7 minutes later Regarding politics: if there wasn't any politics on the portal (LMS, GI, clans, etc. - this is pure politics), there wouldn't be a reason for you, me, and others to express ourselves or communicate; just chatting is so boring! Right? Well, if you (or I, for example) are against politics, then leave the clan and don't write in these topics. Agreed?
Someone else would have come up with it, and it's not that difficult to create clans...
WoW, I think the idea to create clans, etc., came earlier.
I disagree about the clans... it's not politics...
Someone else would have come up with it, and it's not that difficult to create Clans at the beginning...
WoW, I think the idea to create Clans, etc., came about earlier.
I disagree about the Clans... this isn't politics...
1. "It's not that difficult to create Clans at the beginning..." - that's why people are telling you to familiarize yourself with the history. 2. Answering this question - imagine, the site has just been created, and the idea arises to create Clans. People can be forgiven for not knowing what WoW is and how Clans were created there. Where to start? How to do it better? So that when you and I come, we don't turn around and leave, but instead are amazed (exaggerating) and impressed (or just remain satisfied). Do you think it's easy to do? It takes so much time that you could, by using it wisely instead of on such "nonsense," earn enough to buy a personal yacht. It requires knowledge. It requires money (for the internet). And, finally, it requires overcoming the passivity of others, which is the most difficult thing, to convince them of the need to create Clans. Try creating your own website, and after some time, when and if there are enough people on it, unite them into Clans. Or, if that's too difficult, try creating a political party from scratch. Let me know the result :D :D. 3. Well, politics, as you know, is the art of managing people. Clans are created for this purpose (I'm not claiming that this is the main goal of creating them, or even if there was such a goal?), or they engage in this. The analogy, as you understood from point 2, is with political parties.
WHICH ACTIONS OF THE LMS DO YOU THINK DESERVE OPPOSITION? If you're not just another empty talker, SoulDrinker, try to answer my question clearly, highlight it in bold so I can read it (I assume you'll say a lot besides the answer). I'm somehow sure that there won't be a clear answer.
Do you even READ the previous posts????:mad:
Added after 19 minutes And if you judge by the number of posts, does it matter if I fill them in topics like "does the swamp race need to be added"? Will that change your opinion about me?
Вы вечно молитесь своим Богам И ваши Боги всё прощают вам... Поиск
Starhan
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heee as already noted above - a conflict between clans is when one clan suspects a player from another clan of unfair play, etc... (since clans are theoretically only intersecting in inter-clan games (or some other Competitive events)) but RUDENESS between forum members is a matter for the moderators.
As I understand it, the LZMS itself was created exactly under such conditions (disputes over inter-clan games) and therefore one of its goals was the settlement of disputes between clans. The last clan war took place sometime in the summer (during the 7th stage of the WC for the second heroes), so this goal is not particularly relevant (and you are arguing over nothing)....BUT ...LZMS has other goals - specifically the coordination of clan actions. This is exactly why LZMS invites ALL clans to join the community .... and put forward their suggestions and wishes (not for empty chatter, but for discussion at the level of Clan Leaders)
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sorry please I didn't ask permission from you, O great one :smile41: :smile41: :smile41: :smile41: :smile25:
.... as I already said - if something doesn't suit you.. no one is keeping you here.... personally, everything suits us.. both LZMS and GI, the clan system, tournaments.. etc...... but for some reason, everything is wrong for you... you see, you're being oppressed.. where, in what place??? please show me!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, how can you say they aren't being oppressed!!? Ask Nemizida what he went through while creating the Knights of the Apocalypse clan (how much and what was said to him)? And remember how YOURS was created! Is there a difference?
Added after 4 minutes RAPER;137311
And also Gentlemen, what is this LZMS for?
that's where you should have started;);)... read the charter.. only carefully;)
ps that's it .. until tomorrow.. I honestly don't understand .. why do you hate LZMS so fiercely?? Fine with kj1313 and their ilk (they are a separate conversation).. I don't get it.. There is such a principle in some sciences ... it's called the principle of simplicity
it's a pity that you cannot SIMPLY explain for yourself what LZMS is for, and instead refer to the charter.
Added after 7 minutes RAPER;137406
but then the question is - why have clans if there is no body capable of managing and controlling them...??????7 LZMS is such a body.. yes, let this body be not entirely perfect.. but everything can be finalized through common conclusions....
Accordingly, then why the hell do we need LZMS if there is no body capable of managing and coordinating it? :) this is a joke question!
I didn't understand you at all here, what "management" of clans are we talking about? Why manage them? They were created specifically to be independent cells.
There can be no talk of managing clans, only of coordination; everything else related to clan management is written in the forum rules.
Added after 15 minutes Tengro;137551
I'll answer too:) 5) LZMS is a body of SELF-government and democratization. If it deviates from this path, I will be the first to declare war on the pseudo-League.
And again. HOW DOES LZMS BOTHER YOU? In detail, as a list, in writing. Then there will be something to talk about. Otherwise, you're sinking to the level of "nakhtritters."
But it has already deviated, specifically the SELF-government; the LZMS Leader self-governs however he wants (because some don't care, others are "friends" with him)... and I've been suggesting for a long time: return to the original structure, LZMS should have 3 elected Secretaries. Then there wouldn't be these frictions between the RA and EPN clans (well, they would be, of course, but at a different level and in a different way).
LZMS doesn't bother anyone, but one should ask oneself: should it help? Otherwise, it turns out we created it and are just sitting and waiting for everyone to come begging us so that we could (as RAPPER said) "manage" them.
------------------------------------------------------- TOTAL: the topic is going nowhere, it's like "talking to a brick wall"
RA is attacking the personalities of TAKO and RAPPER, and LZMS has absolutely nothing to do with it!!! Tengro and RAPPER themselves don't know what they are defending...
now, so that you don't misunderstand me, I'll add
I am not defending the RA clan, I am strongly against the fact that Nemizida used profanity in his posts and aggression against the EPN leaders, which is what started the conflict; it's just a vivid example, likewise I am against attacks on newcomers by the EPN leaders.
leave LZMS alone (the body is not to blame :) that its leaders don't quite understand what it's for), it has nothing to do with this, make peace among yourselves to your heart's content and let's finally cooperate closely within the framework of LZMS, for this, you need to join LZMS and collectively vote for a return to the original structure, as there are already enough clans
Added after 2 minutes SoulDrinker;137555
I suggest the following: 1. First, we need to convince all the "nakhtritters" to join LZMS (so that there are no questions later). For this, LZMS must make concessions and reconcile those who are fighting (like official apologies and such) 2. The charter needs to be reviewed (not changed - reviewed). 3. In general, there's no need to quarrel
that's all for now!!!! P.S.: if there is peace thanks to LZMS, then, I believe, "Haven" and the like will join it.
Golden words :) my post says the same thing, but you are a master of rhetoric :) Brevity is the soul of wit
SoulDrinker
