Posts from Orcs – discussion about the race.

Hmm...
I tested the dueling Orcs in the simplest way possible - I set up a 3v3 duel, pitting Orcs against other factions...
Well, what can I say...
I set both teams to auto-battle to avoid any bias.-.
The Demons tore them apart without much effort. They even had one and a half heroes left (1 untouched)...
It was harder for the Humans; they had 1 hero left when they won...
But with the Dwarf, I was simply amazed. He single-handedly defeated all three heroes :O
If Exz, even after reading this, still says that Dwarves aren't overpowered, I'll be very amused...
Testing continues... I'll now pit them against the Academy and the Dungeon...

I couldn't manage to defeat him in the Dungeon... I mean, the hero with the Wyvern Riders. I tried with all my heroes, but none of them could do it. Even though he only had Goblins left.

No, it's not possible to defeat all the heroes of the Stronghold with Sinithar (one-on-one, that is)! He dominates in duels against Dungeon!
And in Sylvan, Ossir and Anwen defeat all three heroes!
By the way, I played Ultimate with Prizrak, Dungeon vs. Orcs! He beat me. Letos against Goshak! The moral of the story: it's not advantageous for Dungeon to play against Stronghold in Ultimate, but a rush for Vayshana is deadly! Proven!
And dueling Orcs... ugh, they're very weak!

Come on, Sinithar, he's not bad as a dueling hero, but he definitely can't take on three Orcs, unless the player controlling the Orcs is completely new to the game.

Could you clarify which week, with what army composition, and with what skill build you are attempting this rush?

And in general, everyone knows that you shouldn't let a Warlock linger in any game, so it's not surprising that you lost. By the way, which map were you playing on, if you don't mind sharing? ;)

Sure, sure. Try to defeat the Shakaraka with a Sin'dorei... Let me know if you succeed.

You can defeat all the heroes of the Stronghold with Sinithar (one on one, that is)! He's great in duels against Dungeon!
And Ossir and Anwen can defeat all three heroes of the Sylvan!
By the way, I played Ultimate with Prizrak, Dungeon vs. Orcs! He beat me. Letos against Goshak! The moral: it's not advantageous to play Dungeon against the Stronghold in Ultimate, but a rush for Vayshana is a death sentence! Proven! And dueling Orcs... ugh, they're very weak!

Don't say they're weak! Haggeesh can be a real threat!:smile19:

Orcs versus Dungeon in the late game... I won't even say it, it's not a nice thing to say. In general, against Orcs in the late game (with the possible exception of Elves), no one can compare.

So, as I understand it, they suffered a crushing defeat? But that shouldn't have happened... Balance is balance. Could you provide more details? About the armies, upgrades, etc.?

Or better yet, a recording of the final battle. ;)

Yeah, you're really something. With skillful play, you can even give Orcs a serious fight in the late game. You just need to harass their solo units (or your friend's units;)), read advice from experienced players, maybe try to develop your own tactics, and you might find a way to counter them. After all, they're not unbeatable.

It would be interesting to try a defensive strategy against Orcs, using Humans or Dwarves (of course, with the "Readiness" skill). I haven't played much against Orcs myself, as I'm mostly playing as them right now, but I should give it a try...

Rage will absorb a huge amount of damage. As a result, the players will kill few enemies, but they will take a lot of damage in return! Moreover, I have developed a tactic with such abilities and perks that the Stronghold will deal a lot of damage. As for the balance, it lies in something completely different. It's just that Orcs are very strong in the late game, but not very good in rushing. Dungeon is the opposite! Not all factions are suitable for a long battle. This, in my opinion, is where the balance lies. As for Dungeon, they didn't kill anyone completely!

I mean that Sinithar can’t defeat three heroes from the Stronghold at once in a duel, but he can defeat each of them one on one! By the way, I defeated the Wyvern Rider, and I have one Hydra left! I guess I was lucky, but I still won! And regarding playing against Orcs, in the late game, Dungeon won’t be able to counter them. It’s been tested… but maybe I’m missing something, perhaps you need to be a great strategist to understand this! I think I agree with Prizrak about the game’s balance, but what should players who are good at playing as Dungeon do? What if they play on a very large map (generated) against the Stronghold! I tried, and it didn’t work. But if anyone manages to do it, please let me know!

I definitely need to try playing against different factions in a Russian game as the Horde. Shddr, what do you think about that? Well, if the Orcs perform well here too, then I don't know of a better faction...

2 Ghost Well, if you want to get into it, humans deal 20% more damage with counterattacks, plus in the late game, they can easily increase the production of archers/rangers by 20, which is pretty cool. And if you have a lot of money, you can make even more significant upgrades. The defense is quite strong, plus the right upgrades. The main thing is not to let the orc gain rage; if he loses a lot of it or even goes into the negative, he's done for. Without rage, orc creatures aren't very powerful, and I'm saying this even though I love the orc race, but in terms of strength, it doesn't surpass anyone, and you can put up a good defense against it in the late game! 2 shddr Georgy Zhukov was a great strategist, but he probably wasn't interested in heroes. But seriously, I'd like to see a recording of the battle or a save file, or at least just a description of the development of both sides, the balance of power, and other information; maybe then some mistakes in the development of the hero, the city, etc., will be identified. Otherwise, it's hard to believe that the Elves suffered such a fiasco...

Was it against the computer or another player? Now, let's break it down. Fury absorbs a huge amount of damage, but it can be easily dispelled by an attack from a creature or a Chaos magic spell. So, first, we attack some Executioners with Earth Shock (or something else), and then we shoot/attack with melee units. I don't think the computer knows how to do that. Also, if an Orc has Chaos Resistance, the Dark Elf controlled by the computer simply won't cast Chaos magic, which, in my opinion, is a huge oversight. Plus, the computer makes tactical mistakes... Although, playing against the computer is still not interesting. I need to try playing against another player.
Major: Orcs won't go into negative Fury because that's only possible during Wait or Defend. And during a physical attack, the Fury value doesn't drop below 0.

Incredible, but true! And you think about it... what can Dungeon oppose to Haven in the late game? If you have any ideas, write them down. And I'm not srddr, but shddr (shaddar).

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Vayshan, that was me playing against Prizraka as Dungeon.