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What is your favorite Tier 2 monster?
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Single choice Closed 2006-09-10
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Archer/Marksman
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Horned Demon/Horned Overseer
6.7% 1 vote
Zombie/Plague Zombie
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Blade Dancer/War Dancer
0% 0 votes
Blood Maiden/Blood Fury
86.7% 13 votes
Stone Gargoyle/Obsidian Gargoyle
6.7% 1 vote
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Offline Loken
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This quote of mine perfectly illustrates your "respect for other races."
Anyway, I don't care, do whatever you want, write, be obtuse, put exclamation marks everywhere, shout about elves. I don't care about any of it. I don't know why I even got involved in this stupid argument you started.
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Sorry for butting into your discussion, but I think the topic has strayed from the main point. We're actually discussing the second tier units here. Although, I'd like to correct something: Furies won't die from dragons before they even get a chance to move, simply because they move first. The initiative difference is 2, and no Winged Helm will help with that. However, Megeras, with their equal initiative, it's all down to luck. And I think the question has already been answered. Furies are the most useful second-tier unit (among melee units; comparing them to ranged units wouldn't be fair), followed by (in my opinion) Dancers (especially after the second upgrade, they're beasts), then Gargoyles, and finally the slowest ones like Zombies and Demons, which I don't know how to effectively use. I didn't include ranged units in the calculation; I tried to evaluate them objectively.
Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

God save us everyone
Will we burn inside the fires of a thousand suns...
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Offline Майор Вихрь
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Vayshan;134968
Sorry for butting into your argument, but I don't think the topic is relevant anymore. We're actually discussing the second tier here. Although, I would like to correct something: Furies won't die from dragons before they get a chance to move, simply because they move first. The initiative difference is 2, and no Winged Horror can help with that. However, Megeras have the same initiative, so it depends on luck. And I think the question has already been resolved. Furies are the most useful second-tier unit (among melee units; comparing them to ranged units is not appropriate), followed by (in my opinion) Dancers (especially after the second upgrade, they are beasts), then Gargoyles, and finally the slowest ones, like Zombies and Demons, which I don't know how to rank. I didn't include ranged units in the calculation; I tried to evaluate them objectively.
As far as I know, the troops are randomly placed on the ATB scale at the beginning of the battle, so it really depends on luck.

Besides, if you consider Alt-Demons, they can cause a lot of trouble for the enemy with their ability, and therefore bring at least some benefit. IMHO, they are more useful than Zombies.

Among ranged units, the best are, well, Archers. I don't think there should be any disagreements or arguments about that. ;)
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Actually, if you read the "ATB scale" manual more carefully, you can find out that the troops are placed in a random range of [0.25]. Something like that. So, it still depends on initiative. And haven't you noticed that Furies and Nightmares always go first? And not, for example, Imps, which have an initiative of 12?
Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

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Will we burn inside the fires of a thousand suns...
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Offline Майор Вихрь
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Of course, I noticed. And I would definitely have paid attention if, for example, those creatures had gone first! :) I just didn't know that specific number, "ini +-0.25". But now I'll probably remember it. Okay, let's move on; it's off-topic anyway.
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by the way, the new demons are awesome. you can’t hide from them :O
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Loken;135058
by the way, the new demons are awesome. You can't hide from them :O
I completely agree with you! They really outdid themselves with the new demons! Compared to the jump, the explosion is nothing! If they could jump across the entire map, that would be insane!:rolleyes:
And you're right, Loken, let's drop this argument. I'll remove all the morale penalties, and we'll remain neutral! What do you say?;)
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Exactly. Finally, some signs of reason. Debates are certainly a good thing; they liven up the forum. But simply shouting at each other and insulting one another without solid arguments to support one's position is, to put it mildly, foolish and only befitting five-year-olds.
Армия баранов под предводительством льва сильнее армии львов под предводительством барана.

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:O
An attraction of unprecedented kindness? Well, I've actually forgotten everything...
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Crossbowmen are very effective. They are the best!
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Arbalesters, Furies dancing with blades – all of this is power.
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The Arbalester is the most effective unit, both against lower-level and higher-level enemies, thanks to its Accurate Shot ability.
Let`s play online Heroes.Always in game :smile33:
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Furies, I still prefer crossbowmen. When positioned correctly, they can be just as effective as archers, as they have a long range... They are great both at the beginning and at the end of the game. Ballerinas are too weak; they are taken down quickly, just like furies (well, almost), and they don't offer much benefit. The fact that they attack everyone is cool, but the bigger the attack, the more they will be targeted later. The most normal monster with an attack that affects everyone is the new hydra. They are so well-fed that they simply don't care; they just swing their heads and spew acid, and the new hounds are great too. When I read about them, I thought it was some kind of joke about dragon's breath, but when I saw that they really attack in three directions, hitting 2 squares without a response... O_o, it's overpowered! (Oops, I got a little off-topic).
Нет, я же Гитлер.
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flying bricks, also known as squirrels, also known as gargoyles. I'm not talking about their effectiveness, just that they're amusing. When they move, the sound is like someone walking in the snow.
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Offline Майор Вихрь
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New gargoyles are definitely a bonus for the Chaos Sorcerer; gargoyles are expendable anyway, they're just cannon fodder, and +75% to damage is insane. Combined with the enhanced spellcaster's mark (which now also affects area-of-effect spells, except for Armageddon), the sorcerer can basically deal damage comparable to a Warlock. IMHO, it's a good unit! But they fly slower than regular ones. That's a downside...
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Bow down and hear our cry,
Our earthly rulers falter,
Our people drift and die,
The walls of gold entomb us,
The swords of scorn divide,
Take not thy thunder from us,
Take away our pride.

G.K. Chesterton: English Hymnal
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