Haven vs. Chaos — General

AndersonAD

19 years ago

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It's not a given; at level 18, both will have fully developed combat and magic skills, meaning they'll have complete resistance to magic, making the Chaos Knight's attacking spells useless. The Chaos Knight will only have a handful of spells left, while the Haven mage has a single Mirror Image spell, which is quite powerful. Haven might win.

First, practice and play at least 5 games to get a feel for how things work... Then you can figure out the best strategy... Of course, you can win with any type of unit because the most important thing is the player's skill and experience. In the initial stages, combat units are definitely superior to mages...

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Zybr

19 years ago

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AndersonAD;104121

NOW you should practice first, play at least 5 matches... and figure out how things work... :) ... of course you can win with any type, because the main thing is the skill or so to speak the experience of the player himself:))
it's just that in the initial combat skills, fighters surpass mages... that' same for sure..:)))

I've already played much more than that... especially since we aren't talking about who is better, a mage or a fighter, particularly at the start; that's obvious anyway... But if you don't believe that by level 18 you can't actually level up both combat and primary magic, well... I won't argue with you here... of course, having all 4 skills of the same order isn't taken into account, but you can definitely take 3 leveled-up ones, and military affairs can be worthily developed, certainly defense and resistance, and beyond that it depends on your luck with altars and universities; by the way, it's often easier for a magic build)

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Zybr

19 years ago

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While playing on Equilibris, I noticed something. Previously (at least on the Whirlwind map), it was possible to create an illusion of a Black Dragon. In this mod, they decided to significantly reduce the chances of Haven against Chaos, effectively meaning that only Titans can realistically counter Black Dragons. As a result, I will have to abandon mages and maybe even Djinns, which will significantly complicate clearing neutral creatures.

Пандора

19 years ago

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While playing on the Equilibrium map, I noticed something: if before (at least on the Whirlwind map), it was possible to create an illusion of a Black Dragon, in this mod, they decided to remove that possibility.

Well, essentially... that's actually correct. If you're going to protect Black Dragons from magic and all sorts of magical effects, then you need to go all the way. Therefore, banning illusions is a logical continuation of this approach.

This significantly reduces the chances of Order against Chaos; in fact, only Titans can realistically counter Black Dragons, which means you'll have to give up on mages and maybe even genies, which will significantly complicate clearing neutral creatures.

I don't think the chances will decrease. Perhaps the tactics will change, but that's up to the player. Genies are more versatile than just illusionists. When you have enough of them, a simple bolt can even be more effective than various illusions.

In general, it seems that the mod didn't eliminate the imbalance; it simply wanted to make players think more when choosing their units. So that it wouldn't be just 100% genies, vampires, cyclops, etc.

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Zybr

19 years ago

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Pandora;109006

I don't think the odds will decrease. Perhaps the tactics will change, but that's up to the player. Genies are more versatile than just illusionists. When there are enough of them, even a simple bolt will be more effective than various illusions.

Well, genies will always be a very useful unit, but against Chaos, they become virtually defenseless, so it's probably not entirely correct to use genies against Chaos....

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Pandora;109006

In general, it seems that the mod didn't remove the imbalance at all, but simply wanted to make players hesitate more when choosing. So that it wouldn't be just 100% genies, vampires, cyclops, etc.

I think the balance is more or less okay. In the 4th game, everything depends ONLY on the player's skill and luck with artifacts. Any Castle can cope with another

Пандора

19 years ago

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Well, Djinns will always be a very useful unit, but against Chaos Devils, they become virtually defenseless, so it's probably not entirely correct to deploy Djinns against Chaos.

Well, in fact, they were "defenseless" against Chaos Devils even in Whirlwinds. There are few units that are not defenseless against Chaos Devils. Besides Chaos Devils, there are many other units in the army. And also, Nagas, at best, will last only a little longer.

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Zybr

19 years ago

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Pandora;109011

Well, in fact, they were "defenseless" against Chaos Devils even in Whirlwinds. There aren't many units that are truly defenseless against Chaos Devils. Besides Chaos Devils, there are many other units in the army. And even Naga, at best, will last only a little longer.

No, Naga has more armor and damage, and they have a retaliatory attack. And in Whirlwinds, Djinn could at least cast Illusion. But now they've taken even that away.

SandroXXL

19 years ago

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Come on, how can that be? Genies can’t create an illusion of Black Dragons on Whirlwinds, and in a battle of 5 Black Dragons against 100 genies, there are 3 Black Dragons left against 0 genies. But in a battle of 5 Black Dragons against 100 nagas, there are 0 Black Dragons left against 90 nagas. So, nagas are not to be trifled with.

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Again, on the other hand, armies don’t only consist of genies and dragons. Let’s add one medusa to the dragons. So, a battle of 5 Black Dragons and 1 medusa against 100 genies ended with a result of 0 Black Dragons, 0 medusas against 83 genies. But this will only work against a computer opponent, because a human player will first eliminate the genies, not the illusion.

4akaa

18 years ago

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let's assume the armies are roughly equal and there's no castle involved, then Haven can win, but if Chaos has black dragons, Haven should run!!!

Starhan

18 years ago

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yeaah, and if you teleport the Nagas to the enemy.

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Zybr

18 years ago

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Well, with Nagas in the army instead of Djinns, it will be more difficult to clear the map without losses, so you'll need to level up at least two mages, and the heroes should have a good amount of mana – for illusions, slowing, forgetfulness, blinding, and berserk.

Пандора

18 years ago

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With Nagas in the army instead of Djinns, it will be more difficult to clear the map without losses, so you'll need to level up at least two mages, and the heroes should have a good amount of mana - for illusions, slowing, forgetfulness, blinding, and berserk.

The main thing is to get lucky with the artifacts... But for variety, you can use Nagas... in principle... although, if we're being objective... it's hard for me to compare a Djinn and a Naga. A Djinn seems to stand up to a Vampire more effectively, for example.

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18 years ago

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I consider them equal. Because both sides are equally strong. At least, in my opinion.

Степан

18 years ago

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OptiMAL;95801

Order versus chaos... a clash of two powerful forces: they are opposites. Gentlemen, who will win?

Chaos will win!
For me, it's obvious.

S-t-i-n-g

18 years ago

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Chaos will prevail!
It's obvious to me.

Of course, Chaos is the strongest faction in the game. And about something that hasn't been mentioned yet: the skills of the Thief and the Lord. Don't you think that the Thief's skill is much more useful? And if you compare magic, hypnosis, illusion/mirage, these are the only decent spells. Well, maybe also ice arrow. But can they compare to Chaos magic, like disintegration, for example?

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