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[/U] I’m not saying that you all have a low level :) . I’m not saying that you play worse than me, I’m just saying that I think our top players are at a higher level.

I already wrote to you - that we don't have the concept of "Top players" - because there is no need for it - so your "Top players" cannot be better than ours ;)

Please explain, I didn't understand - what exactly is the question and who raised it?

Your colleague Forest raised the issue of consolidating players - and then stated that our level is low (I don't have time to search for all these posts now)

P.S. Everyone has the right to freedom of speech. And regardless of whether our players have won Tournaments or not, I can say that they are better. And you can listen, not listen, agree, disagree, refute, remain silent, or shake your head. But I have the right to say it.

Of course, you do - your post wasn't deleted, was it? ;)
And I have the right to disagree and write about it :p

In general, the argument "well, if you don't like it" is actually a pretty strong argument.

It's a very weighty argument. No joke.

And in reality, there is one very strong argument: Magic! A bunch of people took it upon themselves and reworked the entire magic system. Why, I wonder?

Tell me, are you really interested in why they reworked the entire magic system in TE? If you're really interested, I'll tell you.

If they're so smart, they would have made their own game, with their own rules, and they shouldn't have interfered with the core of HOMM.

They did what they wanted. Why are you deciding what they should have done and what they shouldn't have done? Are they forcing you to play TE? Horn (the main creator and ideologue) probably doesn't even know about this discussion. The question of whether TE or SOD is better is an interesting question, of course, and deserves its own thread. The problem is that people usually criticize things they haven't even tried.

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And I already told you - that we don't have the concept of Top players, because there is no need for it.

Then why did you vote for the introduction of a rating system if there is no need to determine who plays better and who plays worse?

Why did you then vote for the introduction of a rating system if there is no need to determine who plays better and who plays worse?

Times change - now (with the help of newcomers) this issue has been raised and a decision has been made to implement it - I expressed my support.
So what?

However, I see the point in running an advertisement for our website on your forum.
By advertisement, I mean that we would create a thread here on the forum where we would tell a little about our website.

Sorry, this is prohibited by the rules of our forum.
I am bringing this post to the attention of the section moderators.

Times change - now (with the help of newcomers) this issue has been raised and they decided to implement it - I spoke in favor.
And so what?

The most popular question among thugs :) I didn't expect to hear it here. (For those who don't bother to read posts carefully, I'll explain directly - I don't consider Alex_R a thug. He just asked a question that is very popular among people of a certain circle.)

You said that there is no need to find out who plays better (determine the top players). But finding out who is better is the primary goal of any ranking. And you voted for the introduction of a ranking. In short, first you said "Yes, let's find out who is better among us," and then "There is no need to find out who is better among us." That's what interested me - do you always change your beliefs so easily?

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Sorry, this is prohibited by the rules of our forum.
I am drawing the attention of the section moderators to this post.

Relax :)
I have already sent an offer to your local god about advertising the site and I am not going to advertise heroes.bay without his consent.
P.S. But what is good about the rules of this forum is that you can't argue about other sites, but you can about other versions :) And the opportunity to discuss the work of moderators is also nice.

I just don't believe that offline developments can solve problems in an online game.

You should contact Vbn about this. ;);)
And regarding the top players – I wrote about it in the first posts (but this is just my IMHO, and it's all games based on Soda).
In general, I'm in favor of holding a tournament... and again, which version??...(I and Tako have all versions of Heroes 3).

I don't know about the others, but I don't want to organize such a tournament. Although I probably wouldn't refuse to participate. Regarding finding top players in the online version of the game on this site, I am personally interested in publishing their names here.

What tournament?

1) Which version?
2) Online or offline, to start with, so to speak, for getting acquainted? What do you say?

- Well, that's what I think... online... but we'll need to think carefully about the version together... and no arguments or swearing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Proposal for a friendly resource. Worth discussing!

I may not be an online god, nor a master of the game...
but it would be nice if there were some online competitions between resources (friendly ones).
Here, on Hv, there are quite a few people posting in threads like "the most beautiful death in game 3" or "which creature of level... is the most beautiful." But there are also strong players, and many players of average level (I hope I'm one of them :rolleyes:), so we can overwhelm them with numbers ;)
I'm glad there are such proposals, I'm in favor....

1. So, why do you assume we don't know what TE is? I assure you, we know perfectly well, and most players have tried playing this version. There have been repeated attempts to implement TE here, but they all ended in failure. Let's just attribute this to our mentality; it's a kind of forum-specific national trait. Most of us play versions 3.2 and 4.0, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. There's no need to force it. Just spare the time, effort, nerves, and bandwidth. And arguing about which is better is pointless. As the esteemed Querty said, let everyone choose which game they want to play. Well, Hv has already chosen his game.
2. Regarding the low skill level of our players, why would a "friendly resource" immediately throw around such phrases? Doesn't it seem obvious that this could immediately turn the forum users against you and ruin any sense of friendliness? I agree that organizing online games is not yet at its best, but we are trying, and IMHO, there is progress. And if we are so weak in your opinion, then why do you need us? Why don't you play with the League of Heroes? I'm sure they'll have a worthy team for you.
3. The topic is turning into insults because there is a lack of specifics. I still haven't heard an answer about what you want. I repeat, let's have a resource-to-resource competition (I recommend SOD, but no one forbids doing this on TE, but there is no guarantee that we will be able to gather the necessary number of players for this version). If you just want to be friends and play occasionally, no one forbids it. There is a special topic where the contact information of our online players is listed.
4. We have never been isolated by an iron curtain; we have always been happy to cooperate with other resources. We are currently running a tournament, if I'm not mistaken, on TE, which is organized by Pagan. The tournament itself takes place on another resource, and we simply duplicate the reports about our players, and that's fine. Today, I am starting an online game for 5 players under the auspices of Hv and the League of Heroes, and I informed the Creator about this, and he approved the idea. Therefore, I repeat, we are open to everything new; the world of Heroes is one, but I ask you to be more specific and respectful. Personally, I was upset by the statement that the problem of the topic creator is that they named the topic in that way. I don't remember whose post it was, but it was definitely someone from the Baevites. How can you? The person who created this topic was concerned about your interests, and you are doing this... it's not nice. Then, to call the Creator of this resource, who has invested so much in this resource, "your local god"... exactly in that wording and with a lowercase letter, is that a sign of friendliness and respect? IMHO, no.

1. Why do you assume we don't know what TE is? I assure you, we do, and most players have tried playing this version. There have been repeated attempts to implement TE here, but they all ended in failure. Let's attribute this to our mentality; it's a kind of forum-specific national trait. Most of us play on versions 3.2 and 4.0, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. There's no need to force it; just save time, effort, nerves, and bandwidth. And arguing about what's better is pointless. As the esteemed Querty said, let everyone choose which game they want to play. Well, Hv has already chosen his game.

Well, I think we can talk about the harm of coercion, but we can also talk about persuasion. It seems that a separate thread will be created with a description of TE and its perceived advantages compared to the classic version, in the form of a "discussion club."
Honestly, it's difficult to assess and immediately understand some of the changes in TE. Some are quite easily explained, while understanding others only comes after a certain number of games. The only thing that can be said about TE that I don't think will cause complaints among the residents of this portal is that, from the point of view of the interface, TE is 10 steps ahead of SoD. It's simply more convenient and saves time to play with the buttons implemented in TE. In addition, TE fixes a number of SoD bugs, such as viewing the opponent's hero, selling artifacts for more than their actual value, accelerating an empty hero to maximum speed, and viewing the opponent's castles, which in itself makes TE very valuable. I think it would be perfectly normal to start by attracting people to play TE without any changes from SoD, only with interface changes and the specified bugs disabled.
Or do the interface enhancements also cause complaints?

Well... I wrote it, and now I'm not even happy about it :D But honestly, I knew that's exactly how it would be.

In general, I agree with Adelaide's last post on many points. (Anya - strangely enough, +1 to reputation)

Post number 19 certainly hurt and offended me a little. Our problem is a common one - if it worries you. I wrote the post and the title of this topic based on a conversation with Papik. I understood what he wanted to suggest, and that's exactly how I named it. I suggested that he create the topic himself - he refused. Now everything is as it is. And yes - these are MY problems! ;)

But post #21 made me happy. I don't think there's anything more to say.

Actually, let me explain something to both sides. First, to the heroes.bay representatives. Believe me, we know what TE is and what it's all about ;) Don't think that we're "from the deep forest" ;) It's just that for some reason, this version didn't take root on our forum. At first, we had organizers of offline tournaments (Natasha, for example), who actively promoted TE. They left - the promotion stalled at the initial stage. We continued to develop tournaments on SOD - gradually this became the main version of the games. Now, after a long time, it will also be difficult for us to switch to TE. Perhaps this is the reason for the rejection of TE (or rather, one of the reasons).

To our forum members - let's behave more politely! And there's no need to provoke arguments again. I agree - there are many disagreements. In fact, that's why we started this conversation. Let's discuss! Let's NOT ARGUE!!! I know - we have some fans ;) We need to come to a specific decision - and not say "we don't need them - we're cooler." Why not maintain relationships? Are contacts a bad thing?

Now, to the esteemed bay members - perhaps it's worth moving on to more specific formulations and, let's say, actions. I said right away that conversations with us will lead to little. Concrete proposals and actions will convince us much faster! Let's organize a joint tournament to start with - as you have repeatedly suggested here. And then we'll see - in what way and how closely further cooperation between our resources will be.


P.S. By the way, please note that we have no gods or idols - we have democracy ;) And no dictatorship! The forum members decide everything... The creator is a rare guest lately ;) Long live self-government!!!!! :D (just so you know)

I hope I get to participate in them.

Zhen - I already wrote my opinion about the skill level of our online players in the first posts;););) so here it is=);)

I agree with almost every word Taco said in her latest post. For me, players from Bayard have always been almost like idols, but after today, my opinion is starting to change, and not for the better. Let me explain why: I don't like people who start to act arrogant about anything. So you play at a very high level, so what? Be more humble, and people will be drawn to you. From the very first posts, I understood that they wanted to organize a tournament between forums, help us with organizing online games, improve the rules, promote the game, and so on. From the latest posts, I understood that no one is going to organize any tournament, and I am increasingly hearing expressions like "we are the pros, and you are just building the Capitol in the first week – yuck, noobs." Maybe each side lacks parliamentary skills, I don't know. Guys, do you really think that if you shout from every corner that you are the pros, people will respect you for it? Organize a tournament or something like that, beat us (if you can), and the attitude towards you will immediately change. And then you can start promoting and so on – respect will immediately be given, and everyone will listen to your opinion. In short, let's live in peace, but let's respect each other.

To be honest, I didn't want to get involved because I knew how this whole endeavor would end :) I had already gone through this back in the day on Heroesportal :) But Tolyan (Forrest) decided to make an attempt to improve the world of heroes anyway.

I want to show the backstory of how this thread was created:
http://www.forum.heroes.by/viewtopic.php?t=551&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

It all started with this (briefly, in case anyone is too lazy to check the link :) ): one of our players simply found your resource via a search engine, read a few threads, and posted about it in the "Humor" section :) Then Forrest wrote (without even visiting your resource or talking to anyone yet), saying he was amazed that there were so many HoMM fans that we didn't even know about, and very active ones at that. Then Papik picked up the idea, along the lines of: how can this be? So many players and no connection at all; he said we need to fix this and try to establish contact with them. After that, Forrest registered on your resource and wrote a bit on HoMM theory. Post by post, then a conversation with Ta Ko and an attempt to start a friendship between the resources (which is why this thread was opened). If you read our players at the link, it is clearly obvious that no one intends to be pushy, pull anyone anywhere, or force anyone to play a different version of the game.

I've been playing TE for about a year now. I must admit that I was probably the loudest in shouting, "leave me alone with your TE, I'm perfectly fine with SoD" :D I didn't understand why there was a need to remake the game or change anything in it if everything was already wonderful. At the time, I believed we had a strong resource; I read "by", saw that the level of play was indeed higher, and thought, why do I need them? They're "fathers" playing TE over there, and I'll just quietly play SoD because I like it.

One fine day, on Heroesportal (where I played before heroes.by), Forrest returned (he played there before I even thought about the game online). At the start of my career, I read everything possible and impossible to somehow raise my level (when I first joined Heroesportal, I thought I played very well, but in my first game I was torn apart like a rag :) ). I read the portal's archives and knew that Forrest played decently. I modestly knocked on his ICQ and asked if he could help pull our resource up a bit?

We started talking, and word by word, Forrest suggested I play TE. I resisted a bit, then thought, what difference does it make, I'll check it out. We played a game, and again, I was destroyed (Tolyan still reminds me of that game), and this was when I was already a tournament organizer for Heroes III and was considered far from the weakest player.

I decided to look at the saves to see what this player had done to tear me to pieces. I copy the saves into the games folder (after a game, I move all saves to a separate folder, I keep all games), I launch it, and something is wrong. Funny thing is, I simply forgot that we played TE, not SoD; I didn't feel the difference at all. Moreover, when I played the next match in SoD, I tried to separate the units of one by pressing ctrl+click (in TE this combination separates units of one) and immediately didn't understand why nothing was happening. In other words, in just one game, I got so used to it that I started pressing it in SoD out of habit :D

I continued playing SoD on Heroesportal and played TE with Forrest every now and then. With every game in TE, the desire to play SoD decreased and decreased. Then I began to realize that it is simply impossible to implement the game possibilities provided by TE in SoD.

Then Tolyan convinced me to sign up for a cup on heroes.by. I must admit, I resisted for a long time. How is this possible? I am a member of the online guild, a tournament organizer, and I'm going to play on another resource? What example will I set for other players? (It happened to be a time of online collapse on Heroesportal; everyone who played here before created their own exclusively online resource (heroes.by) and left the portal. I, however, joined the portal when everything for online was starting from scratch)

After a fairly short stay on "by", I realized that my home resource (Heroesportal) was so weak that I hadn't even suspected it.
I want to emphasize that NOT A SINGLE player started playing TE immediately; everyone started with SoD.
All my attempts on the portal to explain that we play poorly and don't even understand how much so were unsuccessful. Either I spoke unclearly, or they didn't want to understand me. Phrases like these were heard:
"Well, if you like TE so much, go to your heroes.by and play there"
"Everything is fine as it is, why are you exaggerating?"
"You're only writing this to show what a super player you are" (although I never considered myself such and still don't)

And I couldn't understand? How can this be? I lost so much here, tried so hard for this resource, and they tell me – "you're writing all this just to show off." I sincerely wanted to improve the resource, wanted to raise the level of play, but it didn't work out.
Now I play on Heroes.by and don't regret for a second that I played TE with Forrest. In SoD now, you could beat me with a stick – I won't play.

Why did I write this tirade? Don't think that someone is showing off, that someone wants to impose their ideas or show that we are strong and you are bots. No, of course not. I wrote so much in the hope that a person who doesn't care about anything, just wants to laugh at someone and show what a great player they are, won't just sit there bashing the keyboard. I sincerely hope that our players will not be perceived as "super fathers"; believe me, we want nothing more and nothing less – to replenish the world of heroes with strong players and to learn something ourselves.