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Papik

18 years ago

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Kamikaze;129573

to Forrest:
You play TE, right?
So, how do you compare TE and SOD? Is it "basically the same, but better,"
or "Levitation Boots aren't available in Utopia, which is awesome."
We play SOD here, and we think the opposite. That's why we can only compare players after gathering information for analysis. In other words, only after playing, or better yet, after a large number of games, can we assert that your "Old Guard" will crush the "New Blood!"

As many have already mentioned here, most of the players who are currently playing with us started with SOD before moving on to TE. And, surprisingly, they switched to TE, recognizing its advantages for online tournaments. Despite this, many still occasionally play SOD, just for nostalgia's sake.
Regarding the fact that SOD is sold, meaning everyone has it. Nowadays, it's the age of the internet, and downloading 30 megabytes isn't such a big problem in terms of cost. I think it's roughly equivalent to buying a disc, and that's only if you have a metered internet connection. So, to turn SOD into TE, all it takes is a little bit of desire.
As for whether the "Old Guard" will win or not, you don't have many online players who have played before. Where will this "Old Guard" come from? I don't believe that offline experience can be decisive in an online game. Sure, you can perfect some battles, but not all of them – and you'll encounter many different situations in online battles.
It's worth noting that we have a wide range of players online, and they can play random and fixed maps with different rules. If they play according to specific rules, it doesn't mean they can't play well under other rules, as shown in matches against other portals.
Regarding the skill level, people say that there are skilled players, they just don't speak up. Well, show us who they are :) Maybe we can discuss it with them, and we'll immediately write that your "Old Guard" is better than ours – we'd be happy to and even bow down to them. But for now, there are only mentions of these people... Are they hiding? :smile32:

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Alex_R

18 years ago

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Forrest;129601

Well, it's clear that out of 1000 posts, no one felt like dedicating a couple to explaining things to newcomers.

You should read all my posts first, and then you can talk...
Here, I can even give you a link to make it easier for you:)
http://forum.heroesworld.ru/search.php?searchid=227181

Kamikaze

18 years ago

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Regarding the fact that SOD is sold for a long time, everyone has it. Nowadays, it's the age of the internet, and downloading 30 megabytes is no longer such a big problem in terms of cost. I think it's roughly equivalent to buying a disc, and even then, only if the internet is charged per megabyte. So, to make TE, you just need a little bit of desire.

How can you not understand that people like SOD? Well, they like it, and that's all there is to it! Including me. Stop promoting TE already.
PS Please write more грамотно, at least out of politeness.

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Alex_R

18 years ago

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Papik;129610

Regarding the skill level – people are saying that there are skilled players, they just don't speak up. Well, let us see them:) maybe we can discuss things with them and immediately write that you have even better players here than we do – we would be happy to and even bow to them, but for now, there are only mentions of these people... Are they hiding? :smile32:

Guys, you didn't come to a kindergarten! There are so many people here that not everyone knows each other, and they are silent because many are simply not here right now – just wait, maybe someone will show up ;)

Fireball

18 years ago

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Dear Papik, Forrest, and Balamut, please pay special attention to Qwerty's post:

On our forum, the main game version is SoD. It is available for purchase, so anyone who wants to can access it. We are ready to host a team from another portal that wants to play SoD. After the organizational issues are resolved, the composition of our team will be determined based on the number of players that the other resource will field. The team leaders will agree on the rules, and we can start playing. As for introducing TE on our forum, there have already been attempts, and they ultimately ended in conflict. As for the skill level of the players, it is better to return to this after the match. A match in SoD on our forum.

We should start with a tournament using "hybrid" rules. Of course, people who play by your rules should be surprised by the fact that you can build a capitol in your home castle, as well as the lack of explanation for newcomers about "standard" strategies: Shaft builds a can opener in week 1-2, looks for a high-level monster, builds a portal, prays for a Blessing scroll, defends against artillery from a bunch of trees (golems, swordsmen, etc.), and the computer will build gold for you, etc. But on other types of maps (like SoY), these methods not only don't work but are even detrimental. P.S. If there are any offline game enthusiasts among you, you are welcome to join the main tournament of the year for the third game, which will start soon.

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Vigo

18 years ago

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Well, I don't mind :)

So, we thank you for that! Thank you for taking the time and sharing your experience!

Well, it seems that out of 1000 posts, there wasn't a desire to dedicate a couple to explaining things to newcomers.
Stop teasing!:mad: If you help, help; if you don't want to, don't. Let's skip the unnecessary chatter:cool:

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Papik

18 years ago

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Alex_R;129619

Guys, you didn't come to a kindergarten! There are so many people here that not everyone knows each other, but they are silent because many are simply not here right now. Wait, maybe someone will show up ;)

Guys, there are so many people here that there are "people who are really good" - "but we don't know who they are" - is that what you mean?
What does kindergarten have to do with it?
Just name specific forum users who you consider to be knowledgeable and strong players.
Give at least 2-3 names.

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Kamikaze;129618

How can you not understand that people like SOD, they just like it! Including me. Stop promoting TE already.
PS Please write more грамотно, at least out of politeness.

People, in 90% of cases, have only heard about TE. At worst, they tried playing it 1-2 times against the computer. I'm sure they didn't read the manuals or descriptions about why this and that was done this way or that way.
Thus, as everywhere else, the main reason why people stick to SOD and don't want to try TE is laziness.
I'm sure that if everyone received a disc with a ready-to-play TE version and an invitation to a tournament, the number of players would immediately increase. It's unlikely that we can organize a disc, but we can organize a tournament.
And you wrote here that TE and SOD are not comparable. Can you provide an argument? (The argument "I just don't like it" is not accepted). In what specific ways is SOD better than TE?

PS: I don't see a connection between грамотность and politeness.

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invisible

18 years ago

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Just give us their contacts, maybe we can have a discussion with them and immediately write that your guys are cooler than ours – we would be happy to and even bow to them, but for now, there are only mentions of these people... Are they hiding?

I'm completely losing track of the meaning of this discussion:confused: Do we want to organize a tournament between websites or are we looking for "gurus" from each other? Let's start negotiating about the upcoming tournament or are we just going to keep discussing it? I think nothing positive will come of this.

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Balamut

18 years ago

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Alex_R;129561

Self-confidence is a good thing!:smile01:
But there are some small nuances!!!
1. What version are your top players playing (specifically)?
2. The statements have no basis (there is nothing and no one to compare them to):smile08:

Our top (and not only top) players play the TE version. But since it is quite difficult to convince someone that their opinion that they are playing the best version in the world, and all the others are miserable losers :D, is subjective, that is why our top players have won against opponents on other versions and according to other rules :cool:. Yes, we are narrowly specialized - online random (fixed maps only in St. Petersburg), but in this area of ours, I am sure that our top players are the best.
So what if there is nothing and no one to compare with yet. If there was a comparison, there would be an objective result, and I would not express my self-confident opinion :) .

Alex_R;129561

Well, titles are commendable!
1. But only 5% of all Heroes fans participated in these championships, and as for HeroesWorld, I personally don't know if anyone from there participated!
2. And you, who dared to say that we have a low level, what do you say about yourself?
3. The same applies to Balamut

1) Yes, a lot of people didn't participate in these championships. But the championships themselves did exist. And I can confidently say that the winner of one of these championships turned out to be stronger than 50 people, and the winner of these two is stronger than 80 people. And this does not take into account online tournaments. I can say that, but what can your top players say about themselves?
2, 3) As for my own level, I think that I am in the second ten on our website :) . That is, I can beat the top in a single game, but it is unlikely that I can do it in a long series. You can also look at the permanent rating on our website. Forrest is fourth there, and I am 19th.

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Kamikaze

18 years ago

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Papik;129624

P.S. I don't see a connection between literacy and politeness.

For example, it's unpleasant to read distorted words. And that's because you type very quickly. But if you treat people with respect (or simply want them not to ignore your message next time), you shouldn't be indifferent.
That's what politeness is ;)

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Qwerty

18 years ago

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Our forum welcomes strong players. If you create a relevant topic in the appropriate section and organize tournaments, that's great. If you want to challenge our team to a match in OUR version of the game, there will be no problems either. But why aggressively and insistently promote another version of the game? If you play "a different game of chess," that's fine. Those who want to will play with you. However, this kind of pushy behavior doesn't align with my understanding of "friendliness" or the proper conduct of opponents before a match. By the way, it's not entirely clear what constitutes the "friendliness of the resource"... Didn't we go through this a year ago, or has everyone forgotten? Were there not enough conflicts then?

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Balamut

18 years ago

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I've completely stopped understanding the point of this discussion: confused: Are we trying to organize a tournament between websites or are we looking for each other's best players?

I don't know about the others, but I don't want to organize such a tournament. Although I probably wouldn't refuse to participate. Regarding finding the top players in the online version of Heroes of Might and Magic III from this site, I am personally interested in publishing their names here.

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Kamikaze

18 years ago

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Papik;129624

Can you provide some reasoning? (An argument like "I just don't like it" is not accepted). In what specific way does SoD outperform ToE?

Did I say that The Shadow of Death outperforms ToE? I think that The Shadow of Death is more interesting, or better, if you prefer.

In general, the argument "I just don't like it" is a very valid argument. Because very often, people in life choose certain things simply based on their subconscious; they like it, and they don't want to hear anything else.

But in reality, there is one very strong argument: Magic! A group of people took it upon themselves and reworked the entire magic system. Why, I ask? If they are so smart, they should have made their own game, with their own rules, and they shouldn't be messing with the core of HOMM.

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Alex_R

18 years ago

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to Balamut
I already wrote that while it's great that you have skilled players, it doesn't give you the right to shout from every corner that "your level is low."
As Yegor rightly pointed out, there are many people who enjoy playing Heroes, but unfortunately, even in Warcraft, more people play online. So, your top players haven't tried out everyone, and sooner or later, they'll run into a tough opponent ;) (if that hasn't already happened).
P.S. It's strange that I'm explaining this if you have a clear opinion about us (below the lowest level) - why even bring up this issue? To show off?

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Balamut

18 years ago

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Qwerty;129638

But why aggressively and obtrusively impose and promote another version of the game?

Couldn't it be done unobtrusively and non-aggressively?
Let me explain. We have people playing online random TE games. In your case, if anyone plays it, it's very, very few. Accordingly, I don't see the point in duplicating information about our Tournaments on your site. But I do see the point in running an advertisement for our site on your forum. Players will have a choice of what to play. They will make this choice independently; people are adults.
By advertising, I mean that we will create a thread here on the forum where we will talk a little about our site, the TE version, and answer questions if they arise. Those who are interested will read it.

P.S. I've encountered this many times before, where simply mentioning my resource on someone else's pages results in moderators fiercely deleting it. I don't know how things are here. For example, we have no problems with this – I believe that information about Heroes of Might and Magic Communities is exactly the kind of information that should be disseminated.

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Well, I already wrote that the fact that you have skilled players is great, but it doesn't give you the right to shout at every corner that "your level is low."

And I'm not shouting that your level is low :) . I'm not saying that you play worse than me; I'm just saying that I think our top players are at a higher level.

Alex_R;129642

P.S. It's strange that I have to explain this – if the opinion about us is unambiguous (below par), why even bring up this issue? To show off?

Please clarify, I don't understand – which specific issue and who brought it up?

P.S. Everyone has the right to freedom of speech. And regardless of whether our players have won Tournaments or not, I can say that they are better. And you can listen, not listen, agree, disagree, refute, remain silent, or roll your eyes. But I have the right to say it.

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