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Offline Ley
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2 Kyle: Well, this tournament was planned as something new and unique. The organizer wanted to surprise the participants with his idea of collecting not skeletons and liches, but vampires... but he didn't fully consider the various possibilities of the game. Vampires can be collected even with diplomacy... (just saying...). On this map, it will hardly be boring - the opponent won't let you just sit in the castle and collect vampires using population... The approximate time to complete such a scenario is 14 days, maybe less - in such a time, no one will think about how tedious it was to collect these "fangy" creatures. - this is, so to speak, in defense of Sasha's idea... :) And now, a real fact: the Cloak of the Unholy King is an artifact that can improve the very tactics of battle and increase the strategic thinking of each participant in this tournament. After all, each of those who sign up for this tournament will strive to fight with the least losses, i.e., there will be an incentive and motivation to achieve the goal, namely, the possible rapid recruitment of liches. In general, some "complexity" will be added to the battles themselves, the intrigue will increase, and therefore the interest will increase... :) Of course, we are waiting for the organizer's opinion... ;)
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
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Offline Александр Г.К.
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Agree with Ley... Cloak of the Undead King, I think, will become a good aid for clicking the "end turn" button... After all, acquiring it on the map will significantly speed up the "growth" :) of the Vampire population under your command...
P.S.: I also want to note that I am creating a "mirror" topic at this address because there it will fall under Kyle's moderation, and because they are putting me in the hospital... :( Two weeks is the minimum term... :smile21: :smile07: So, Kyle, I am asking you very much, do not let my idea rot and help Ley with its implementation... Cloak of the Undead King, I believe, should be added to the map in such a way that it can be reached before collecting 1000 Vampires... And so - With grief in my soul and heart, I inform you that at the moment the organization of the tournament falls (if they, of course, agree to this :( ) on Kyle and Ley... :( :( :( Good luck, guys... And please don't ban me for not attending, okay? :( :( :( :smile35:

P.S.: I hope that the tournament will still take place and be quite successful... :smile49: :smile13: Good luck to everyone organizing it, and to everyone who is participating, and will participate! :smile14: :smile28:

Эй, ты, простой смертный, хошь стать Хранителем Силы?))) :smile49: Ты уверен, что знаешь, в чем Сила?

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Ушел в Тень... Надолго...
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Well, regarding originality - yes, you could make a tournament unlike any seen before... Question: should it be limited to vampires?
Second question: should it be limited to liches?
Third question: what about, for example, the Cloak of the Undead King plus gathering, say, living dead? How are they better than vampires, you ask? Well, they're linked to having the Cloak of the Undead King, and diplomacy is still a factor too.
How are they better than liches? Well, it's original - having the Cloak of the Undead King and gathering undead instead of liches... It might make for a rather tricky tactic, don't you think?..
So, what do you think after all?

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Hmm. Looks like I didn't make it in time with my iiiiideaaa
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Damn, I really didn't want to clutter the thread with questions, but could you explain:
If the result is evaluated based on 1. time, 2. skills, 3. mercury, then what should the points for vampires be tied to?
Apologies in advance if I misunderstood something due to my inattentiveness...
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Alexander G.K.:

With your permission, I will take responsibility for organizing this tournament :). All map and rule discrepancies will be coordinated with Kyle. I will start working on the planned tournament soon.

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Regarding the zombies – it’s certainly a novel idea, but how do you envision making it feasible? After all, the initial spellcasting skill will only be available after gaining 1000-1500 experience points, followed by spirits, then liches... In my opinion, buying a new hero each time is not rational. And you would have to fight against insignificant armies...

In general, we’ll come up with something with Kyle! Please: wait, and then everything will be clear ;)<
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
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Regarding zombies - it's certainly a novel idea, but how do you envision making it feasible? After all, the initial spellcasting skill will only be available after gaining 1000-1500 experience points, followed by spirits, then liches...
Oh, come on? ;) Have you tried it yourself? You can maintain the initial spellcasting skill for as long as you want - up to level 20 or so... There's no need to worry about it...
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I'll take another look - if on Expert you fill all stacks with undead, what happens...

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so here it is:
nothing works!:D :D :D

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Oh really? ;) And have you tried it yourself? The starting Sorcery skill can be kept as long as you like - up to around level twenty... Don't worry about it...
up to twenty-one. if you tweak the skills in the editor - up to twenty-two.

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here's a rule for you right away - reach level twenty-five. the first sign of victory is days, the second is undead. you can do it the other way around, but limit the undead to no more than a certain number.

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or: have a total of X creatures + level 25. The criterion is time.

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or HM: save on day ...teen. Points = X*level (where X is monsters)...

It's kinda boring - buying vampires......

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YYYYYYYYYYYYY: totally awesome.
On day ...teen, points are calculated by multiplying the number of creatures the hero has: level 1*level 2*level 3*level 4. Having the Cloak of the Undead King can cause brain cancer, can't it?
Get it??? Want me to come up with more ideas?
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I have nothing against the idea about the undead; it's not a bad idea, but let's not undermine the organizer's idea. If you want, try organizing your own tournament focused on collecting undead!
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Really? ;) Have you tried it yourself? You can keep the initial spellcasting skill at its starting level for as long as you want – up to level 20 or so... There's no need to worry about it...

Well, actually, there's another way to keep this skill at its initial level...:), besides just advancing everything else except for it...;).
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Well, actually, there is another way to keep this skill as a starting one... :), besides advancing everything except it... ;)
Uhhhh... and what way is that? If it's not a secret? Does that mean giving the Cloak of the Undead King to a non-Necromancer? Or something else?
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I'll take another look now - if on Expert you fill all stacks with undead what happens...

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so anyway:
nothing happens!:D :D :D

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up to the twenty-first. if you dig into skills in the editor - up to the twenty-second.

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so here are the rules for you right away - reach level twenty-five. first sign of victory - days, second - undead. could be reversed, but limit undead to no more than a certain number.

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either: have a total of X creatures + level 25. Criterion - time.

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or HELL: save on the ...th day. Points - X*level (where X - monsters)...

It's kinda boring - buying vampires after all......

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YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY: totally awesome.
On day ..th points are calculated by multiplying the number of creatures of the hero's level1*level2*level3*level4. Having Cloak of the Undead King, you could get brain cancer, right?
Can you imagine??? Want me to come up with more?

Vanya, well you're just like always...:D

No one's going to buy vampires. The tournament will be about collecting liches. Maybe we'll decide to make it harder...(and we will make it harder - that's for sure, guarantee ;)), maybe we'll add some formula... Zombies are interesting guys of course, but slow (but spirits though...), in short they're all creatures...:D. Redesigning the map anew, I think it won't take much time..., so everyone have patience, so to speak - wait ;)
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I don't object to the idea about the undead; it's not a bad idea, but let's not undermine the organizer's idea. If you want, try organizing your own tournament focused on collecting undead!
Our extensive experience with tournament battles on our HW has shown that quantity will never outweigh quality. We don't need a lot of underdeveloped and poorly thought-out tournaments... And if the author's idea has objective flaws, it should be refined to an acceptable version... Because, otherwise, the author risks being the only participant. Is that what you want?
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uhhhh... and what is the method? if it's not a secret? does it mean to give the Cloak of the Undead King to a non-Necromancer? or something else?

No. If you use the Cloak of the Undead King without Wizardry, you'll just be raising skeletons...
The option is completely different and not difficult - just limit the hero's level and that's it :)

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The rich experience of tournament battles on our HW has shown that quantity will never turn into quality. We don't need many underdeveloped and poorly thought-out Tournaments... And the author's idea, if it has objective flaws, should be refined to an acceptable version... Because, otherwise, the author risks being the only participant. Do you need that?

Well, why so harsh...:) ? This issue has already been resolved. The idea will be transformed...
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I won’t argue about the experience gained from tournament battles; I haven’t really seen them. As for the unfinished aspects, as far as I remember, Alexander G.K. left the completion of Ley unfinished, so I think he will now decide what and how to do it, although there was a request to support the idea, but in my opinion, by the time Alexander G.K. returns, little will remain of the idea!!!!
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I won't argue about the experience gained from tournament battles; I haven't really seen them. As for the unfinished work, as far as I remember, Alexander G.K. left the completion of Ley unfinished, so I think he will now decide what and how. Although there was a request to support the idea, I think that by the time Alexander G.K. returns, not much will remain of the idea!!!!

Of course, it's commendable that you are trying to support someone, namely Alexander G.K. - that's a good thing. But he didn't want to show off his skills (although he also wanted to implement this), but mainly to please the participants of this tournament. If I didn't support him, I wouldn't have taken it on, because there is a certain specificity, some difficulties, and it takes personal time. But I liked the idea of holding the tournament itself ;). Now I will try to make such a tournament even more interesting, which, I think, Sasha would only welcome.

The idea will remain - the goal will change slightly, let's say, be adjusted :).

Sincerely.
"Единственное, что можно сказать с уверенностью об удаче - она изменит..."
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