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eXeCuToR

11/10/2007 5:45 AM UTC

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So... Arandor, sorry, where is the Warcraft-like graphics? In my opinion, there are no similarities at all. Furthermore, regarding the atmosphere - I've played all the Heroes games (though not much in the first and fourth). And playing the fifth installment, I feel it, and I don't think it's far from the atmosphere of the third part. The question of how to find the atmosphere is just as inappropriate as the question of how to get pleasure - it's all subjective, everyone feels this atmosphere differently. And the fact that debates have arisen - is that a bad thing? It seems like no one is arguing, everything is fine, so why not discuss this issue? If there are no such discussions, it will become boring...

Step aside from the way of a better man than you
So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
Stand up

There are no flowers on your grave
There are no chains
There I keep chanting for the forgotten name © Amorphis

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Werevolka

11/10/2007 7:03 AM UTC

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So... Arandor, sorry, but where is the Warcraft-like graphics? In my opinion, there are no similarities at all. Furthermore, regarding the atmosphere - I've played all the Heroes games (though not much of the first and fourth). And playing the fifth one, I feel it, and I don't think it's far from the atmosphere of the third part. The question of how to find the atmosphere is just as inappropriate as the question of how to get enjoyment; it's all subjective, and everyone feels this atmosphere differently. And the fact that debates have arisen - is that a bad thing? It seems like no one is arguing, everything is fine, so why not discuss this issue? If there are no such discussions, it will become boring...

I also don't understand why some forum users react so negatively to any criticism of HoMM5?! If people are arguing about the game, it means that there are people who care about it and want their favorite game to become better. Arguments, gentlemen, arguments - that's what matters most, not mutual insults. After all, if we all agreed on everything, what would we write in our posts?

martians

11/10/2007 11:45 AM UTC

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greengeez and others, you are right – in your own way. But, in my opinion, the root of the problem is that you initially expected something different from the game. I myself am not thrilled with the anime-style elves with half-meter-long ears, Ents that resemble overgrown, bark-covered troll-shamans from Warcraft 3, and dwarves that seem to have come from Disciples. But the thing is that... today, they have to be like that! If in those "good old" days, when the third installment was being created, elves and dwarves were still somehow associated with the Might & Magic universe or the unforgettable Tolkien, now they are "those guys from Lineage and WoW"! Hence, the change in the game's setting and the banal plot – although, honestly, where does an original plot come from in a computer fantasy strategy game? The story of saving the world from a demonic apocalypse in one form or another has been exploited throughout the history of computer games, not just strategies, by the way (haha, even the first Doom is about that). Besides, in the age of multiplayer online battles, the function of the Campaign in a game is reduced to introducing the player to the types of units. Few people buy games for the plot – so why spend money on it, especially when you have to solve the not-so-simple task of balancing a huge number of game mechanics? This is bad, but – that's life. So, I wouldn't rush to accuse the developers of shoddy work – it's just following the established laws of the industry, starting with the elements of the plot and design and ending with Blizzard's sales strategy. On the contrary, I would shake the hands of the game creators for preserving everything that could be preserved and for the generally successful, in my opinion, development of the gameplay. Well, and finally, Heroes 5 has another feature of modern games – it is an excellent platform for creating your own modifications. So, there is hope for the emergence of user-created Campaigns with a plot, and possibly even with their own graphics. It's up to you, modders!

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Игрок

11/10/2007 12:00 PM UTC

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Regarding the atmosphere – I've played all the Heroes games (though not much of the first and fourth). And playing the fifth installment, I can feel it, and I don't think it's far from the atmosphere of the third part. The question of how to find the atmosphere is just as inappropriate as the question of how to get pleasure; it's all subjective, and everyone experiences this atmosphere differently.

Golden words! Those who like it are happy, those who don't – that's their problem...:D Play backgammon; the atmosphere there hasn't changed for thousands of years... The game isn't like other games and wasn't "copied" from anywhere.

Arandor

11/10/2007 12:49 PM UTC

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Okay... Arandor, sorry, but where is the Warcraft-like graphics? I don't see any similarities at all.
Furthermore, regarding the atmosphere - I've played all the Heroes games (though not much of the first and fourth). And playing the fifth one, I feel it, and I don't think it's far from the atmosphere of the third part. The question of how to find the atmosphere is just as inappropriate as the question of how to get enjoyment; it's all subjective, and everyone feels this atmosphere differently.
And the fact that a debate has arisen - is that a bad thing? It seems like no one is arguing, everything is fine, so why not discuss this issue? If there are no such discussions, it will become boring...

I'm not saying that all the graphics are Warcraft-like, but there are many similarities... mainly, this is visible in the units... Haven (all, except maybe the angels), Demons (almost all), Necropolis (especially skeletons, zombies), Orcs, and even the heroes themselves - Knights, Demons, the Necropolis's hands... it's just crazy.

Ex, you're probably confusing the atmosphere...
In Heroes 3 and 2, it's the atmosphere of the world itself, but in Heroes 5, it's more the atmosphere of the location... for example, yesterday I was playing the Necropolis campaign, and I was walking through a dark forest... I agree, it looks more ominous and so on than in Heroes 3 and 2, but it's something completely different...

P.S. in general, let's stop spamming, because everyone will still stick to their own opinion...

Be strong. Believe

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eXeCuToR

11/10/2007 9:30 PM UTC

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I also don't understand why some forum users react so negatively to any criticism of Heroes of Might and Magic V?! If people are arguing about the game, it means that they are playing it and care about it, and they want their favorite game to become better. Arguments, gentlemen, arguments – that's what matters most, not mutual insults. After all, if we all agreed on everything, what would we write in our posts?

Oh... Where is the negative reaction here? I am just providing my arguments – although it's unlikely that I can argue with Arandor, but nevertheless))) No one is insulting anyone, everything is calm and peaceful. Precisely because I disagree with Arandor, I am providing my reasoning, is that wrong?
Well, I don't know, I understand the word "atmosphere" as the atmosphere of the entire game, and not just a specific location or the whole world. I like it.

Step aside from the way of a better man than you
So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
Stand up

There are no flowers on your grave
There are no chains
There I keep chanting for the forgotten name © Amorphis

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StormS-K

11/11/2007 12:05 AM UTC

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Oh... Where's the overreaction here? I'm just presenting my arguments - although it's unlikely you'll be able to argue with Arandor, but nevertheless))) No one is insulting anyone, everything is calm and peaceful. Precisely because I disagree with Arandor, I'm presenting my arguments, is that wrong?
Well, I don't know, I understand the word "atmosphere" as the atmosphere of the entire game, and not just a specific location or the whole world. I like it.

By the way, yes, this is quite a topic, and yet no one has really argued:smile20: :smile54:

Хакер - не преступник.:smile28: Взлом - для искусства. Смысл - в свободе.

Starhan

11/12/2007 6:58 AM UTC

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The truth is, there are still those who are drawn to the path of defending HoMM V, even though it hasn't been criticized much yet.
Just for the record, no one thinks that HoMM V is a bad game.

:)
Everything is correct, the game is of high quality and meets the standards, and everything would be fine if I hadn't played the previous installments... and thought that by leaving the old universe, the game only lost out... of course, I play Heroes 5 and follow the plot with interest (although it was clear from mission 4 that Isabel would become evil, and Argil would turn away from the demons :) ) and naturally, I like the gameplay, and otherwise I wouldn't be playing Heroes!
The game is excellent, but it still didn't live up to some expectations.

And why are you all arguing? Heroes 5 was originally created as a game about a different universe, with a different set of factions, with a different worldview.

So, it's interesting, but why?

I think it's only because pure fantasy will bring in more money :)
than a complex old world

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no offense, but it seems like a child had a toy taken away from them, which they found, and then they were allowed to play with it with the whole kindergarten :) I am, of course, fighting my possessive instincts because I am on the side of the previous series :) but I am glad that Heroes is becoming more popular among the masses :) on the international stage (in our country, it has always been the opiate of the masses)

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martians

11/12/2007 7:25 AM UTC

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:)
So, what's the point?

I think it's just because pure fantasy will make more money :)
than a complex, old world.

But isn't the world of M&M fantasy? Moving it to another world is to get rid of the baggage of the old plot, where all the epic battles have been repeated 10 times. And in a new world, you can do anything – repeat the old tale in a new way, and bring in something original, unthinkable within the framework of the old "game universe." For example, my long-standing dream is a high-tech race B)

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LFB

11/12/2007 8:26 AM UTC

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...I myself am not thrilled with the anime-style elves with half-meter-long ears, Ents that resemble overgrown, bark-covered troll-shamans from Warcraft 3, and dwarves that seem to have come from Disciples. But the thing is that... today, they have to be like that! If in those "good old" days, when the third game was being created, elves and dwarves were still somehow associated with the Might & Magic universe or the unforgettable Tolkien, now they are "those guys from Lineage and WoW"! Hence the change in the game's setting and the banal plot...

& 2 all
Yes, I partially agree with you, and I believe that the guys from Ubisoft and Nival Int. thought the same way. After all, it's a reincarnation of the game; they couldn't afford to fail, so they chose this approach. Yes, but I (and I think I'm not the only one) expected something a little different...
I think that many of us have also played Warcraft. Do you remember the transition from the 1st to the 2nd, and then to the 3rd... into the 3D world?! It was a breakthrough; it was new and fresh (although Warcraft 2 is forever!). Yes, there were debates, many debates... you can't do without them. So, I got carried away. The graphics and models were successful; they didn't contradict the legacy (debatable, but that's how it was), and we were happy. And we praised Blizzard to the heavens. So, with HoMM V, I expected the same kind of transition as from Warcraft 2 to Warcraft 3 (now I'm talking exclusively about the graphics). You'll say that I expected too much? Yes, maybe, but I did. I expected a complete overhaul (and not a clone), that there would be greater continuity. I don't think that in our time, it's so difficult (difficult, but not as it used to be) to create a new engine and develop a more unique look for the models. And, I'm sorry, but Warcraft is Warcraft; everything that worked for it won't be as successful for another game (and the same applies to other games). In HoMM V, I expected different models and different graphics. They didn't want to experiment; instead, they followed a successful, well-trodden path, adapting it to a specific direction – that's their choice, and they had good reasons for it.

P.S. And despite everything (whatever I might have expected), I am grateful to them for the game.

Starhan

11/12/2007 8:58 AM UTC

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Isn't the world of Might and Magic fantasy?

No, not entirely.

Moving to another world is done to get rid of the baggage of the old plot, where all the epic battles have been repeated 10 times. And in the new world, you can do anything – repeat the old story in a new way, or introduce something original.

I think the situation is even more complicated here... The problem is that in the 4th part, the plot was somewhat led to a dead end (with the departure from the world of Enroth and the expansions with a plot not related to the main storyline), + the fact that the 4th game is not as widespread means that not many people know the storyline of the 4th game - and this is an entire link in the chain.

Epic battles haven't actually ended :) . In any case, you can come up with a lot of things.... I honestly think that the plot of the 4th game is also a kind of a hack job, but in my opinion, it could have been used as a starting point for the main epic.

My long-standing dream is a high-tech race B)

But that could only have been done within the framework of the old world...
And here, technology is out of the question – no Varn and so on.

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What annoys me is that they made Askhan a separate world in the new Might and Magic, and abandoned it, although there are no good reasons for it. Why couldn't Askhan be just another planet in the Might and Magic universe?

What are these dragon-gods for? How did they influence the plot? There are a lot of questions. Why create a new universe for one of the parts, instead of keeping it within the old one... unless they are going to release more games... like DMM&M and subsequent parts of Might and Magic.

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Here's another thing about the plot:

Have you noticed how games now follow a template? If a character was good, they become evil; if they are a defender of good and justice, they will inevitably become maniacally obsessed; and if everything is fine with them, they will inevitably die a heroic death in a trap. If they were evil, they will switch to the light side, and at first, they will just be an outcast, and so on...

I already miss such simple, everyday characters as Catherine and Roland. :)

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P.S. And despite everything, I am also (whatever awaits), grateful to them for the game.

LFB, don't take this as plagiarism

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Андрей

11/12/2007 10:01 AM UTC

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Well, what can I say?)). It finally happened!!! I've always wanted people to be able to argue without offending each other!!

ДУРАКОВ ОЧЕНЬ МАЛО, НО ОНИ РАССТАВЛЕНЫ ТАК ГРАМОТНО, ЧТО ВСТРЕЧАЮТСЯ НА КАЖДОМ ШАГУ.
Прошу прощения у Arandor-а. Я слишком резко отреагировал. Просто очень люблю спорт. Извини...[/SIZE]

eXeCuToR

11/12/2007 11:23 AM UTC

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Well, many people can do that, it's just that there are some individuals who don't take care of themselves, and that's why arguments start.)))

Step aside from the way of a better man than you
So you fall at his feet hes the one who betrays you
Its the servants devotion for the decay
Stand up

There are no flowers on your grave
There are no chains
There I keep chanting for the forgotten name © Amorphis

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Solo

11/12/2007 2:57 PM UTC

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LFB;125548

Switching to Pokémon – no, because that’s an unattainable extreme, but if it continues in the same vein – yes, as a trend.

I disagree. And secondly, and firstly, do you think the graphics were less cartoonish? You’re reasoning like an old-fashioned domino player who doesn’t acknowledge computer games at all and who elevates the interest in dominoes to the seventh heaven.

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