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18 years ago
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Players apparently wanted, and still want, Heroes 5 to be just like Heroes 3, but with modern graphics and redesigned monsters and castles, and with more of everything (like upgrades), but still familiar and recognizable. They say that heroes are like chess; you can change the board and the pieces, decorate them with carvings, paint them, hang bright lights on them, but the rules will remain unchanged. The fourth installment in the series was a revolution, or could have been, but it found almost no supporters, and the threat of 3DO's bankruptcy came true, and the company died.
In essence, the new world of Heroes 5 is a deeply derivative creation, with a strong whiff of the Warhammer, Disciples, and many other popular fantasy settings and worlds. By abandoning the "complex" legacy of the original M&M world, the scriptwriters at Ubisoft and the designers at Nival created a typical and recognizable fantasy world, gave each castle a stereotypical race, and made them fight each other.
Now, the elves have big ears, like in Korean console games, and their dark brethren seem to have stepped out of the books about Drizzt Do'Urden. Demons have appeared, who are somewhere imprisoned, but periodically the Eve of Ragnarok comes, and their lord is released. The dwarves have learned that all dwarves need to write runes and forge, forge, forge, and they have also started to be called in a Scandinavian manner, and their mountain Clans are also, apparently, waiting for Valkyries, Odin, and another Ragnarok. Orcs have demon blood flowing in their veins, so it's time to open the Dark Portal to Azeroth. Haven is no longer a human kingdom, but a Holy Empire with inquisitor-exorcists and Empress-Mother Saint Joan-Isabelle.
Bright. Just as bright are the graphics and effects. The heroes have become like a colorful wargame, where different peoples constantly fight each other, shedding rivers of blood and making pompous speeches. But the fairy tale is gone. The adventure is gone. The adventure in a cozy, but unknown, mysterious, original magical world, where there are countless planets-varns, where heroes help the mysterious Ancients. The heroes of the sword are a knight, a barbarian. And the heroes of magic are a sorceress, a necromancer. That's how it used to be. The hero of our time is a chart-topping leader, protecting the interests of casual gamers.
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18 years ago
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What did you mean by that???? :confused:
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18 years ago
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I see you're a big fan of Heroes 3. But it's not a good idea to say things like that... especially about Heroes 5. I hope you'll find that many people disagree with you. And the story is really bad; at least it could have had a conclusion!
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18 years ago
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WitcheR-L;124572
As I see, you are clearly a fan of the third game. But that's no reason to say such things... especially about the fifth part. I hope you will disagree with many people.
And the story is really worthless; at least it could have a conclusion!

What conclusion are you talking about? It's clear what the author wanted to say. And I agree with him, but I still play and will continue to play the fifth game (not just the fifth, but also other parts)... because it's my favorite game, and it will remain so, no matter how it's changed in future installments.
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18 years ago
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Arandor;124587
What conclusion are you even talking about? It's obvious what the author meant. And I agree with him, but I'll still play and continue to play Heroes 5 (not just 5, but also other installments)... because it's my favorite game, and it will remain so, no matter how much they change it in future parts.
That's right... they just changed the board... Although, in some ways, he's right (the author of the topic), but there are also more improvements than there are destructions of the style and atmosphere... And the spirit started to fade away even in the fourth installment... :smile16:
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Arandor
What kind of conclusion is that? It's obvious what the author meant. And I agree with him, but I'll still play and continue to play Heroes 5 (not just 5, but also other parts)... because it's my favorite game and will remain so, no matter how it's changed in subsequent installments.
Who's arguing! Of course, you won't just stick to one part, like part 3.
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everything flows, everything changes... and you definitely can't argue with that! So what if YOU saw the fifth installment in a slightly different light than it actually was (i.e., you expected something else)? I'm not happy with everything either, but what's stopping you from creating a campaign in the style of the second or third game using the fifth game's engine? Or maybe it's just laziness?:smile29:
Go ahead and "remake" the scenarios from Armageddon's Blade if you want more adventures, or take your favorite fantasy series and adapt it into a graphical format! (By the way, I would enjoy playing a campaign based on Robert Salvatore's series).
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18 years ago
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Arandor;124587
What kind of conclusion is that? It's obvious what the author meant. And I agree with him, but I'll still play and continue to play the 5th installment (not just the 5th, but also other parts)... because it's my favorite game, and it will remain so, no matter how it's changed in subsequent parts.
Hmm, I wouldn't say that. For example, I didn't understand the point of this topic at all; is it just to express a personal opinion? If I'm not mistaken, there are already topics comparing different parts of the game, so there's no need to create duplicates. Just post in the appropriate topic.
Also, pay attention to the title "...What is now clearly visible." If the author is interested in our opinion (especially mine), then I don't see anything with certainty... because I still find some new aspects for myself in the 3rd and 4th installments, not to mention the 5th. But judging by how the post is written, the author isn't interested in anyone's opinion but his own.

P.S. To be honest, I'm a little annoyed by newbies who, without bothering to browse the forum, start creating polls, discussions, and especially those that claim to be the ultimate truth. (IMHO);)
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18 years ago
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Archer;124827
Hmm, I wouldn't say so. For example, I didn't understand the need for this topic at all; is it just to express one's own opinion? As far as I know, there are already topics comparing different parts of the game, so there's no need to clone them; just write in the appropriate topic.
Also, pay attention to the title "...What is now clearly visible." If the author is interested in our opinion (especially mine), then I don't see anything with certainty... because I still find some new aspects for myself in both the 3rd and 4th games, not to mention the 5th. But judging by how the post is written, the author isn't interested in anyone's opinion but their own.

P.S. To be honest, I'm a little annoyed by newbies who, without bothering to browse the forum, start creating polls, discussions, and especially those that claim to be the ultimate truth. (IMHO);)
If you think this topic is bad, unworthy of your attention, doesn't carry any new meaning, and is a topic for beginners, then why write your posts in it and express your opinion?
Someone still likes it... look, even some people gave the author positive feedback...
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18 years ago
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I don't understand one thing – how could the atmosphere have disappeared? It's right here, you just need to launch the game! It hasn't gone anywhere! What is all this nonsense? It's just as interesting to play as the third installment. The game is wonderfully made and is also imbued with the atmosphere of a fantasy world; you won't be able to argue with me on that. And the poll is perfectly normal – it's not a duplicate, and it's interesting to discuss.
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18 years ago
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I completely agree with eXeCuToR and will, together with him, defend my point of view on Heroes of Might and Magic! I believe that Heroes 5 is better than all the previous installments, and the atmosphere there is the best! It really permeates the entire game, right from the start! :)
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18 years ago
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Arandor;124587
What conclusion are you even talking about? It's obvious what the author meant. And I agree with him, but I still play and will continue to play Heroes 5 (not just 5, but also other parts)... because it's my favorite game and will remain so, no matter how it's changed in future installments.
Yeah, it's clear... the author just put down a great game. That's why he got a negative rating.
Greengeez
defending the interests of casual players.
What game are you talking about right now? Heroes 5 is harder than Heroes 3, in my opinion...
18 years ago
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I'm talking about continuity. The gameplay is "classic" hero-based. The combat system has been deepened, and various interesting features have been added, such as special racial abilities. There are indeed many innovations, providing more room for hardcore players. So, in terms of both continuity and development, it's all good. However, in terms of story and design, it's a patchwork quilt. There are many borrowings from various sources. Considering the vast wealth of original concepts from the Might and Magic world, these borrowings can be justified only by "pop culture appeal," which expands the audience and increases sales based on the principle: if you're a fan of any of the latest popular fantasy games, buy Homm5, and you'll find many similarities. The atmosphere is certainly present. I didn't feel anything intriguingly new or familiar in it. Everything is foreign and old, just wrapped in the turn-based format of Heroes V.
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18 years ago
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I'm talking about continuity.
There are indeed many new features, giving hardcore players more room to explore. So, in terms of both continuity and development, it's all good.
But in terms of plot and design, it's a patchwork quilt. There are many borrowings from everywhere. Given the vast wealth of original concepts in the Might and Magic world, these borrowings are justified only by the "popularization" that increases the audience and sales of Heroes V.

Firstly, the graphics have become more "cartoonish" to attract children and be more similar to the second game.
Secondly, the fifth game is a high-quality commercial product because no one wants to repeat the fate of someone – remember who – who sold their rights later! If you want to survive, you need to adapt.
Thirdly, what do YOU mean by "popularization"? Could you be more specific, because I personally don't understand?

I personally associate the fifth game with Warcraft 3. That's why I miss the super-bright cutscenes in the intermissions between campaigns.

P.S. I understand that you're not happy with the plot? What would YOU CONCRETELY change in the storyline?
P.P.S. I really miss scenario maps, but I understand that it didn't take just one night to create the maps for the third game (after all, the game is 10 years old)
18 years ago
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Firstly, my opinion is that Nival has been using a similar "cartoonish" engine since 2001, in Allods 3 and later in Demigods, Silent Storm. It doesn't resemble Heroes 2 in any way. Secondly, I doubt their survival was at stake. More likely, they were just trying to make as much money as possible. Thirdly, here are some examples. I enjoy playing Warcraft, but I'm tired of real-time games. I want something more relaxed. I like orcs; they are fierce, with demonic blood, and they are part of the Horde. Are there any other games like that? Heroes 5. I like playing Lineage 2, but I want to engage my mind with a strategy game. What's the newest one out there, and does it have elves like in Lineage 2? Heroes 5. I like drow as in D&D, but for some reason, no one makes strategy games about them... Or do they? Heroes 5. I'm a fan of Warhammer; I want to see how a bald inquisitor punishes demons with a hammer in the name of the Lord. Check out Heroes 5. "Pop culture pandering" is the loss of one's own style and the desire to please everyone. Considering that Warcraft is now an icon of the gaming world, I think it's in poor taste to make a game that looks like it. Especially when the game has no reason to do so.

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