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Tox, be honest, who do you trust more right now, me or Ment?
I've decided who I trust a little more between the two of you, but I won't say it yet. Solely because it's pointless; I don't want to execute either of you today.

Heroist, if you are indeed Inar and you're planning to kill me tomorrow night, then you're just a jerk and not a good person.

Tell me instead, who is Inar if it's not you? I want to execute him. You have information, you, if you're Shizuo, have much more information than we do, please think about who is who and show me Inar.
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I think after the final log, I'll be even more disliked by the city dwellers than if I had been negative. Regarding Inar, it's still the same four roles: Medj, Morny, Ar, Nebos. I'm a little ashamed now, partly because of the stupid things I did, partly because of bad luck, but all thoughts other than those I've described are gone...

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Well, I wrote that he could have also visited Nephele, who was already dead by that time. I'm also wondering why he went to someone else instead of you.
Considering it's the 5th night, there are fewer roles left, and the risk of being killed or running into a trap is increasing, and also considering the death of the Exorcist, there was no point for him to go to anyone who was still alive. Look, Neyra is a killer, healer, and investigator all in one, she would have been a great option...
The only reason for Necoran's absence, in my opinion, is his block/isolation.

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I also tend to think that Majerson is Inar. Placing traps on the 1st night instead of preparing is not a great idea if you don't have immunity.

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But if Arandor and Maj are maniacs, then it turns out that in the pair with Locken-Heroist, there's a mafia boss.

Ничто не возникает из ничего и ничто не пропадает бесследно.
Если где-то чего-то убудет, то в другом месте добавится.

(Закон сохранения).

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What other thoughts came to mind. Finally understood what Ment was writing about regarding self-execution. It's like, if he's stripped of all his abilities, then he's also stripped of protection from execution. Pretty good, but I probably won't cast a retaliatory vote anyway. My current assumption is that Ment is Lo, who has lost all her abilities, which is why she can afford such an adventure, trying to catch me in a peaceful role. Hence, the possible absence of mafia NDs in the newspaper: one is poisoning, the other is skipping turns. Continuing. Everyone seems to have forgotten one amusing detail during our discussion today, namely the execution of Lo as a potential Inar. And everyone clearly remembers what happened at the end of the day and what conclusions many came to. And even Ment, if I remember correctly, agreed with them. But Yaschur did cast a double vote on Lo... And what about today? It seems very strange, considering this logic, doesn't it? It also aroused extra suspicion from Master and interest in my humble person back then. But let's assume that's the case. Who initiated Yaschur's execution? That's right, it was me too. So, I first pull a candidate for "my" role out of the loop, and then try to brazenly push through the hanging of the main city figure? Thanks for the compliment, I guess. Next. The moment with the potential mafia block the other day. I mentioned it for the first time in a long message, but no one seemed to want to pay attention, but it's hard to blame them for that. Before that, the main version was slightly different. It seems, what's the difference, did the mafia redirect or block? Well, except for those who wanted to prove their peacefulness by pointing out such a subtle but clear difference. And it's important here not who answered faster and more beautifully, but who first mentioned the very possibility of such a development. And finally, what did you decide about the first day? Ment agrees with the version of double isolation, but then it turns out that he isolated himself? Excuse me, how is that even normal? Great move, and most importantly, confident. And what's the result: is that why we lost part of the day? It's not very serious. Two guys are just throwing "no, you)))" at each other, and who does that benefit? Certainly not the town. Added 7 minutes later >But if Arandor and Medzh are the killers, then it turns out that in the pair of Loken-Heroist, the mafia boss is sitting. Sometimes I'm the killer, sometimes I'm the mafia, make up your minds.

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And finally, what did you decide about the first day? The detective agrees with the double isolation theory, but then it turns out that he isolated himself? Excuse me, how is that even normal? Excellent move, and most importantly, confident.

No, theoretically, Shizuo moves before Dario, so he could have isolated himself and been isolated at the same time.
But overall, your arguments regarding Morning's execution are very convincing, and not just about the execution. You're either really Shizuo, or you came up with some super-smart tactic for Inara and thought that there weren't Chinax and Lian among the voters.

Cancel Heroist's execution. Execute Arandor. Now this seems like a more reliable option to me.
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It seems to me that Tox devised some kind of scheme about how certain players were supposed to behave today, and he stuck to it as the only correct way, even though they could have behaved differently, at least – the newspaper's name hints that there were redirects somewhere, and at most – both factors could have coincided. I don't see any other reason why he executed Heroist the way Inara did. Or has there already been a shift to another role somewhere?

However, I'm more interested in another question that I raised yesterday. Am I missing something, and is there a third checker besides the Mafia player who was eliminated on the first night and besides Floria? If not, how can we explain the fact that Master and Sky are playing the same role? It is very important for me to get an answer to this question.
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My current assumption is that Ment is Lo, who lost all abilities, and therefore can afford such a gamble, trying to catch me on a town role.
Interesting. So, by your logic, Lo, being unexecutable, would be cautious, but without unexecutability, she should go all-in?
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Let's continue. For some reason, during our discussion today, everyone forgot one funny point, namely the execution of Lok as a potential Inara. And everyone remembers perfectly what happened at the end of the day, and what conclusions many reached. Even Ment, if memory serves, agreed. Yet Yashchur did give a double vote to Lok...
And what about today? It turns out very strange in my position, considering this logic, doesn't it? Plus, it caused extra suspicion from the Master and interest in my humble person back then.
That is the only thing, from my point of view, that sounds like a reasonable argument so far. But I can suggest one of two things:
1) decided that if Lok turned out to be town, and you execute — it's worse in terms of suspicion on you than if you skip. Again, the town gets less info.
2) can Lok's posts about Inara be read as a hint at a temporary alliance? ) Hmmm... Perhaps, were I Inara, I would perceive it that way, rather than in the context of personal-expeditionary sympathies.
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But let's assume that's the case. Who was the initiator of Yashchur's execution? Correct, me too. This means I first pull a candidate for "as if" my own role out of the noose, and then brazenly try to push through the hanging of the town's main man? Thanks for the compliment, of course.
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Next. The moment with a potential mafia block on the previous day. It was first mentioned by me in a long message, but apparently, no one wanted to pay attention, though it's hard to blame them for that. Before that, the main version was slightly different.
One would think, what's the difference whether the mafia redirected or blocked? Well, except for someone who wanted to prove their town status by pointing out such an inconspicuous but clear difference. And what's important here is not who answered faster and more beautifully, but who first mentioned the possibility of such a development of events.
Who even wrote that the order could be reversed? I might have forgotten the mood in the thread, but it seemed everyone agreed that the block on Tox is exonerating and therefore mafia, right? To write directly who went where — that's giving away info, it's unsportsmanlike and a path to a modkill, right? Those who need to know remember how I played Vladik in Tox's game so that by the end they didn't consider me that role at all, it was epic. This is slightly different, but at one point I really felt out the boundary of what was allowed with Revan, that happened. This leads me to think that I am playing correctly.
Heroist, you don't understand, this is not a competition of who leaked info from which newspaper first. If you are legends, why weren't you afraid of a modkill, or maybe you wouldn't have been modkilled at all? Compare this to the caution I'm talking about.
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And finally — what did you decide about the first day? Ment agrees with the double isolation version, but then it turns out he isolated himself? Excuse me, is that even normal? A great move, and most importantly, a confident one.
This is like playing as Shizuo but not knowing the basic turn order. This is almost the most important element of the role, how can you not know it?!
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And what's the result: we lost part of the day over this trifle? It's not very serious. Just two guys tossing "no, you ))))" back and forth, and who does this play into? Certainly not the town.
No, Heroist, we lost part of the day and wasted the execution of a 100% Inara, judging by the moods in the thread.
I can also write to you at length why I'm acting strange for a neg, a blowing-his-cover Shizuo, starting, ugh, from which day it all began, and ending with how I adjusted night plans searching for negs, how I... Oh for goodness' sake, what's the point of someone specifically pretending to be an unexecutable Lo, what kind of cool story is that?! Or you still don't consider me Lo, well yes, you were baiting the Master that maybe I'm confusing someone and trying to shift the vote to the real Lo, very interesting.
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You're either really Shizuo, or you came up with some super-smart tactic for Inara and thought that among the voters there are no Chinax and Lyan.
One could, of course, assume that Heroist got info through periodic preparations and knew something, but it seems to me that he is an intuitive player and plays differently. As the heart dictates. It's impossible to read motives here; now, post-factum, anything can be invented.
Ugh, even if you look at the facts, here he "aroused suspicion." And what does Heroist get from these suspicions today? )) And what happened to him at night? )
Master, in short, I trust you to understand everything correctly.

To other news. Arandor is skipping my questions, I don't like that. Execute Arandor.
Of course, I would have preferred the option with Heroist, but firstly, let Arandor stir himself if he really is his assigned role, secondly, the execution of a probable Neg is better than NNW, obviously.
Lok, Medge, Crabby, Nebo remain. If we save the negs behind Ar/Her, then there are two mafs in that four. Nebo+Medge look normal to me, but in theory, I can assume that we misread Crabby during the day somehow. These behavioral things are some kind of impossible this time...
Lok, of course, I dislike a bit that he lacks confidence regarding his role. But we'll see.
 

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It seems to me that Tox devised some kind of scheme about how certain roles were supposed to behave today, and he stuck to it as the only correct one, even though they could have behaved differently, at least – the medium’s name suggests that there were redirects somewhere, and at most – both factors could have coincided. I don't see any other reasons why he executed Heroist as if he were Inara. Or has there already been some kind of shift to another role?
Lock, even if there were some options, Heroist has already dismissed them all.
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I'm still interested in another question that I raised yesterday. Am I missing something, and is there some third checker besides the mafia player who was eliminated on the first night, and besides Floria? If not, how can we explain the fact that Master and Nebo are pretending to be the same role? It is very important for me to get an answer to this question.
So, you think that Nebo is really pretending to be Floria?! Well, that's nice. Revan really gave everyone the same roles, it's clear.
 

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Lock, of course, is a little unhappy that he doesn't have a clear understanding of his role.
What do you mean?
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Well, that's exactly what you just confirmed with your post. Are you for or against it? Can you state your opinion more clearly? Or do you have your own opinion?
 

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If I were Necoran, I would have tried to create a shield a long time ago, even if it were later shattered, but at least I would have gotten shields for the day. And I definitely wouldn't have gone to deprive Crabby of his abilities, given his inactivity. At the very least, such strange moves should raise suspicions, but you're all focused on isolation. Right now, I would vote for Yashur, who failed McCue and was absent for half the game. It's clear that this option is the easiest, but that doesn't mean it's the right one. If anything, I think that negatives should just do regular kills, without any preparations or poisons (which are not very reliable anyway) and other non-detection kills. Nefelu was clearly identified, and I think they were trying to get rid of her, at least two negatives, so that she wouldn't isolate anyone. And I think that the wrong versions are being promoted regarding the definition of kills. Not all possible options are being considered, but the simplest ones are chosen to explain the absence of certain negative actions. Inara hasn't been around for two days? No, that's nonsense, he probably killed someone yesterday. Drinking is poisoning. Orange is nothing at all, even though it was evidence yesterday. And even today's "evidence" is not being looked for, even though it is clearly evidence, but for some reason, there are no proper drafts. In general, it's absurd to cling to isolation in this case, especially when there are not enough different non-detection kills.
I'm ready to execute Medj, Lok, Crabby, Ment, Nebk/Master, if they are playing the same role. They could have checked me first, or at least kept me in the block, instead of downvoting another villager. Checking would even be better, so we would immediately know who the real checker is.

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Hey guys,

I've reread all your posts, wow.

Tox, why are you so sure that Necoran purged me? %)

And how can you still consider me a mafia member?



I'm just not able to play according to this mafia's schedule, but that's my problem.
Sorry, town.



Right now, I dislike Medj the most – he threw accusations at everyone and ran away, just provoking a fight. Well, that's how it seemed to me.


Also, I'm ready to support the execution of Heroist, but I'm not very confident in him.


Please tell me why you're so focused on Arandor? If it's just psychological, he seems like a peaceful player; if there are any other facts, let's hear them.

I'll be home around 2 PM Kyiv time and will try to explain my view on the newspaper clues in detail; maybe it will help.
Or maybe not %)

For now, I'll cast my vote for Medj so it doesn't go to waste.



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Arandor, which Crabbi should we execute...?
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So, you think that Sky is actually imitating Floria?! Well, that's interesting.
Revan really gave everyone the same roles, it's clear.
I'm asking a very important question. Because I had evidence against Sky, which everyone dismissed - considering that none of the solutions have been confirmed so far, and that he changed his rhetoric to one in which he is peaceful, according to the factors that I consider important, I also gave up on it.
I wrote a lot about Master yesterday, plus I reread some of his posts, and I couldn't feel the same thing from them that I felt in the previous games when he was peaceful. He commented on the proposed evidence in a very strange way, and one day he casually mentioned that he was worried that his nickname didn't appear anywhere in the newspaper. And today you told me that the only fact in the entire game that proves he is peaceful is the fourth newspaper, meaning he is Floria. So, I'm wondering - is there any chance that Floria went out on the fourth day, and Master was targeted? Because I need to finally determine if I can (and not you and Tox) put him in the positive list after everything that has happened in the last couple of days.
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Well, that's exactly what you confirmed with your post before mine. Are you or aren't you? Can you say it more confidently? Or do you have your own opinion?
My friend... My opinion about the peacefulness of my role has been clear since my execution. Several confirming guesses have already been voiced by different people, because it's not that difficult, and no one has tried to argue with me about it, because it's a lost cause. Or do you want to compete for the role?
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What does it mean to not break through?
Ugh, I didn't see this question in the previous response.
Revan, basically. We have a hypothetical Rafaga who goes to kill a hypothetical Aulus, who has all his defenses in place. There won't be anything about this in the newspaper, right?
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It would have been even better with a check, so we could immediately see who the real checker is.
Another Floria, or am I missing something?
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Right now, I don't like Medj the most - he piled buffs on everyone and ran away, just provoking a fight. Well, that's how it seemed to me.
I even went back and re-read the day's events...
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Please tell me why you're so fixated on Arandor? If it's just psychological, he seems peaceful, but if there are any other facts, let me know.
What do you think?
 

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Arandor, which Crabby should be executed...?
Sorry. But this is just a list.
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Another Floria, or am I missing something?
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Now they want us to check from isolation.

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