Posts from Mafia 109. Dreams of the Void Warriors Auto-translated

I'm saying all this because if Fragment turns out to be a serial killer, it's unlikely that there's any Mafia among those who didn't vote for him, including Master and Revan (unless they change their votes), because it's very beneficial for the Mafia to eliminate the serial killer, IMHO.

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If you disagree with my conclusion, please share your reasoning and arguments. I'm genuinely interested in how the other players think about whether it's beneficial for the Mafia to eliminate the serial killer so early.

Okay, okay, I quickly skimmed through the topic on my phone, and I probably won't respond anymore today. I've already come to terms with the internet going down while I was working at four in the morning, but the power outage a couple of hours ago is making me want to do something about it :(

There's just too much convincing evidence to believe them, honestly. I like the Master's cold and hardcore approach to finding clues; I immediately wanted to believe him, but as someone not playing on the Hive, I'm still intimidated by clues that are longer than one or two links.

I like the logic behind Fragment's execution, but there might be a catch here too – what if the Mafia deliberately didn't kill him, hoping to get rid of an extra player? Or what if they did? This is already a double, triple, or even quintuple bluff, so who knows. For me, it's not 90%, but rather 50/50, but it still appeals to me more than executing based on these clues.

Be honest, in games on the Hive, is there ever a situation where, after reading a clue, you think, "Aha, it's definitely him/her!"?

Krabby is somehow appealing to pity and asking not to execute him; I want to believe him, but don't trust me because I'm a little biased here. I also don't really want to execute Nefelu, but she's not actively responding to the execution. Is that a good sign or a bad sign? I was executed last time for being too active, and Nefelu seemed to be warning that she would be busy.

In short, there are too many theories, and I'm more inclined to believe in this 50/50 scenario than in these clues, for now. The only downside is that if we're wrong, it won't give us any new information. Execute Fragment.

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Ah yes, I don't think it's worth speculating that someone who isn't executing Fragment might be a potential Mafia member. It's very easy to cast suspicion on someone who simply missed the discussion, like me, or on a more analytical player who wants to judge based on the clues. It's worth keeping this information in mind, but don't judge based on it.

Tell me honestly, in games on HeroesWorld will there ever be a situation where, after reading a clue, you think: "Aaaa, it's definitely him/her!"?

I think that even if you write a clue 1:1 in accordance with the GM's logic when composing it, you still can't be 100% certain of the correctness of the solution.

Mafam benefits from the execution vote in any case, the number of votes doesn't matter much. They even benefit from the NNV (No New Vote). Therefore, no one would risk exposing the entire team by casting votes.

Regardless of the specific block, there's a benefit to Mafam from the execution. The specific "man-mir" doesn't matter much. They even benefit from the NNV. Therefore, the entire team wouldn't risk exposing themselves by casting votes.

This sounds very plausible, but none of this evidence appeals to me. So, what else can we do?

Mafia players benefit from the execution by block in any case; the man-world doesn't matter much. They even benefit from nnv. Therefore, no one would risk exposing the whole team by adding votes.

Cleverly put 👍

In short, Tox, Crabby, Heroist are mafia

And as for the man, who knows, their actions were something else, but they did manage to cause confusion.

He cleverly outmaneuvered them 👍

Basically, Tox, Crabby, and Heroist are colluding.

And Man, I don't know who he is, his actions are quite something, but he did create some confusion.

Yeah, and I'm throwing suspicion on Crabby, even though I'm his teammate, I understand...

Fragment, I still haven't heard your version of what the maniac was doing and why you're not him.

All that remains is to place one block at a time and see what happens next.

Yeah, and I'm throwing suspicion on Krabby while being his teammate, I get it...

Okay, fine. But why don't you want him executed then?

Fragment, I still haven't heard your version of what the maniac was doing and why you aren't him.

He served his time with just one re-routing, it seems. Or maybe even without it. I'm not him because it was a setup.

It seems he just stayed put with one redirect. Or even without it. I'm not one of them because it's a setup.

Why is this a logical move?

Look.

A) It's not beneficial for the killer to stay put; they need to get one kill to protect themselves, and then they can sit at home and set up blocked players.
B) Okay, if you're a pacifist killer who doesn't really want to disrupt the balance in the early nights (Locken in my mafia was approximately like that), then why wouldn't you use a check along with a redirect to gather as much information as possible.

I think a killer wouldn't stay at home with just one redirect used...

A) It's not beneficial for the killer to stay idle; they need to get one kill to stack protection for themselves, and then they can sit at home and let the blocked players take the fall.

Basically, I've already shared my thoughts on this. Perhaps they had immunity, meaning a free night, and decided to kill on the next night. Perhaps they simply didn't want to be mentioned in the newspaper; I think this is a logical option, especially after the previous mafia game where there was no visible action from the survivor throughout the entire game, and as a result, no one had any good assumptions about them.

B) Okay, if you're a pacifist killer who doesn't really want to disrupt the balance in the first nights (Locken in my mafia game was approximately like that), then why not use the check along with the redirect to gather as much information as possible?

Because it's displayed here. But the move is indeed strange, as I've already written.

Only the Master and Arandor had immunity. And while I could believe that Arandor, a homebody, is a maniac, I find it hard to believe that the Master is...

It's not particularly pleasant for me to "hang" you, you're a good player, but there aren't many peaceful roles for you, plus the complete absence of any non-detectable actions from the maniac in the newspaper is very suspicious. And the maniac here is quite unpleasant; it would be good to execute him on the first day...

By the way, you didn't answer about Krabby. You gave a hint but didn't elaborate on it, only expressed doubt. And even after I elaborated, you still don't want to "hang" him. Instead, you're asking potentially harmless questions.

I'm trying to juggle multiple tasks at once, so I might have missed something.

Fragment, could you please repeat your question?

Why don't you want to execute Krabby? Do you think the clue pointing to him is incorrect?